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[–] [email protected] 32 points 5 months ago (3 children)

I initially clicked the link to see if the suspect used a "bump" stock, or AR-15, only to slowly realize, Florence KY is right outside of Covington, just south of Cincinnati, and I have a bunch of family there.

Gun rights and regulations, the arguments and drama and bullshit, all pale in comparison to the loss of a loved one.

Guns don't only do one thing. Sure, they kill people. But they also destroy families. They make kids grow up without fathers, make parents bury their children.

I hope my loved ones are safe. I wish I didn't have to worry about my family and I being shot for nothing everyday.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (14 children)

Any gun nut feel like arguing for insanity that are US gun laws?

All you need to do is ignore science and reality and every other country outsider of the US and be convinced that undiagnosed schizophrenics being able to buy a shedload of semi-automatic weapons is necessary for democracy.

All I need to do is remind you that there's not a single piece of study that supports any of the arguments of the gun nutters.

(Also, just because it seems to matter to these nuts, I started shooting at 12 and have handled everything from old officer's pistols to shotguns to modern assault rifles, machine guns, grenades, mines, and even AA guns. Shooting is fun, yeah, but having fun isn't more important than making sure children don't have to live under the constant threat of their fellow pupils pulling out a semi-auto with a bump-stock.)

Edit after three days: yeah, not a Single scientific study of any sort from the gun nuts, but the usual "teenagers aren't kids and we don't actually have any issues and I'm not reading some study, muh rights, just a gang problem" etc etc etc etc

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 months ago

And until the day comes when exactly that has no chance of ever happening again, minorities should keep strapped.

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[–] [email protected] 74 points 5 months ago (4 children)

That's only one of the two mass shootings today.

But there were 7 yesterday, and 7 the day before.

AMERICA -- THAT'S SIXTEEN SHOOTINGS IN 3 DAYS, killing 14 and wounding 78 others. THREE DAYS.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

It's always too soon to talk about guns after a mass shooting and there's always mass shootings. It works out well for the NRA.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

But that's because the good guys don't have enough guns just yet!

[–] [email protected] 35 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The issue is that a lot of the “mass shootings” are not terror incidents like the school shootings we’ve all heard about.

Take the Philly one, for instance. It was covered in my local media and I still don’t quite get what happened. It sounded like a fight miles away ended up in a gunfight in South Philly.

The type of gun violence that really reverberates in the USA is the school shooting type of incident. It’s a lone gunman who has no relation to the victims.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Why does the type of gun violence matter? Why does it matter whether or not they know the victims?

I don't understand the relevance to the gun control discussion.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It matters for media coverage because gang wars are different than “innocent little granny shot by lone wolf”

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (2 children)

But isn't the source of the problem the same for both? Or do you mean that people consuming the news just don't sympathize with murders when it's a gang war?

I'm not trying to be argumentative, just trying to understand this because it gets brought up a lot when mass shootings happen and I guess to me, murder is murder.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Right, it just doesn’t get media coverage because we don’t sympathize in those cases. And it doesn’t fit into people’s mental concept of “mass shooting” as a result. Someone elsewhere in these comments already tried to say this doesn’t count as a mass shooting

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

Got it. Thanks.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago (4 children)

The source of the problem is crime (often due to poverty/gang culture) and mental health issues. If the source of the problem was gun owners there would be far more deaths. Millions of people own guns without ever harming anyone. Fixing healthcare so it's accessible to people who need it, expanding social services, and fixing income inequality is the real solution.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Unfortunately the people opposed to gun control are also typically opposed to all those things you mentioned.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Then it's weird that pretty much all the countries with high homicide rates, the U.S. included, tend to have legal guns and the ones with low homicide rates tend not to.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

You would think there would be some sort of link.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Because Pandoras box is opened and there is no closing it. Criminals will get access to firearms even if they've all been banned. Gun control logic is like giving a bandaid to someone with cancer.

We need to fix the why, not the how of our violence issue.

We need to focus on social programs, single payer healthcare, our education system, prison and police reform, and ending the war on drugs. Just these things alone would drop our violence by 100xs what another useless gun control bill would do.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

So fucking sad

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