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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Manjaro, because because the team behind it fuck's up a bit to often for my tastes. And Ubuntu, because they force snap onto their users.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Arch, I want to get some work done not save 3 extra CPU cycles on boot.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

So what you're actually saying is: you don't like Arch because you don't want to take the time to learn how to use Arch.

(Which is fine)

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Garuda. It feels like being inside a gaming rig full of blinking RGB lights. Way over the top with the "gamer aesthetic".

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

My desktop "breathes" in RGB so it sounds perfect for me. Plug me into the Matrix.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Same reason but different vibe with Kali for me. I'm sure it's good for its intended purpose, but I get the feeling that there are many who install it in an attempt at being a kewl h4x0r. I used used Parrotsec for work for a while, and it's a lot less flamboyant about it.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You're going to get a lot of comments about Ubuntu and snaps. Definitely one of the reasons I switched away from it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

For the uninitiated, as someone who's looking to move from Windows to Linux and Ubuntu is probably my first choice, can you share what's not to like about this?

Edit - insightful answers. Thank you

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Performance and functionality.

When I click the Firefox icon, I expect Firefox to open. Like, right away.

When Ubuntu switched it to a snap, there was a noticeable load time. I'd click the icon and wait. In the background the OS was mounting a snap as a virtual volume or something, and loading the sandboxed app from that. It turned my modern computer with SSD into an old computer with a HDD. Firefox gets frequent updates, so the snap would be updated frequently, requiring a remount/reload every update.

Ubuntu tried this with many stock apps (like Calculator), but eventually rolled things back since so many people complained about the obvious performance issues.

I'm talking about literally waiting 10X the time for something to load as a snap than it did compared to a "regular" app.

The more apps you have as snaps, the more things have to be mounted/attached and slowly loaded. This also use to clutter up the output when listing mounted devices.

The Micropolis (GPL SimCity) snap loads with read-only permissions. i.e., you cannot save. There are no permission controls for write access (its snap permissions are only for audio). Basically, the snap was configured wrong and you can never save your game.

I had purged snapd from my system and added repos to get "normal" versions of software, but eventually some other package change would happen and snapd would get included with routine updates.

I understand the benefits of something like Snaps and Flatpaks - but you cannot deny that there are negatives. I thought Linux was about choice. I've been administering a bunch of Ubuntu systems at work for well over a decade, and I don't like what the platform has been becoming.

Also, instead of going with an established solution (flatpak), Ubuntu decided to create a whole new problem (snap) and basically contributes to a splitting of the community. Which do you support? Which gets more developer focus to fix and improve things?

You don't have to take my word for any of this. A quick Google search will yield many similar complaints.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

For context:

Snaps are a way to build applications so that they can run on any platform with one build method. It makes it easier for developers to publish their apps across multiple different Linux distro without having to worry about dependency issues.

Snaps have been very poorly received by the community, one of the largest complaints is that a snap program with take 5-10 seconds to start, where as the same program without snap will start instantly.

Ubuntu devs have been working for years to optimize them, but it's a complex problem and while they've made some improvements, it's slow going. While this has been going on, Ubuntu is slowly doubling down more and more on snaps, such as replacing default apps with their snap counterparts.

On the other hand, other methods like flatpak exist, and are generally more liked by the community.

This has led to a lot of Ubuntu users feeling unheard as their feedback is ignored.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

One word: snapd

If you like the idea of ubuntu, but wish to avoid ubuntu, you might want to check out Linux Mint.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Also a great option. I like their tiling window manager and the other gnome extensions they've done. I'm also generally excited about the work they're doing with Cosmic as a new DE.

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