Holy FPTP, that represenation is fucked. How hoes 33% of the popular vote translate to 60% of parliamentary seats?
Y'all need electoral reform.
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I kind of hate that this distinctly centre-right version of a labour party is going to consider themselves as given a mandate to fill their centre-right boots, despite the fact that they're only as powerful as they are because of how utterly toxic the Tory party have become. Largely from chasing the same ends that this labour government will likely continue to chase.
Yeah I don't really like it either, but TBH things are so bad that just destroying the Tories is good enough for me this time around.
Hopefully they'll be radioactively unelectable for a really long time, and we can push it in a better direction over the next couple of elections.
Not only that, but people think we're about to have a left wing government (mostly because the media tells them so, and school didn't teach them any better), and when nothing changes (at best) they're going to use it as "proof" that leftism doesn't work and fall in to the hands of even further right populists, rather than face the reality - that they've just elected more of the same, and that the system was designed to never serve us, only the establishment.
Nobody thinks we're going to have a truly left wing government, as for whatever reason vanishingly few people want to vote for that.
Unfortunately, leftist movements in the UK tend to be idiotically self hating towards our country at best and commonly supports the literal dissolution of the United Kingdom which turns most moderates away.
Nobody thinks we’re going to have a truly left wing government
Lol, nobody you've spoken to perhaps. Also if they didn't already, just wait for the media to pitch in over the next couple of years..
Personally I know more people who've moved away from Labour than to it, I just acknowledge that people outside of cities exist and that I live in something of a bubble.
Refusing to accept that is the sort of thinking that gets Reform so many votes as many people in large cities forget that the majority of the population don't live in cities, and so don't suffer from the problems there so much (higher cost of living and lower labour availability than rural areas) and so don't care so much about progressive or socialist policies.
EDIT: sorry, it's late, I misread, I'll keep this up and maybe edit again later because I'm too sleepy to respond to what you actually said right now
I think this analysis is spot on. People are complex and tend to be self-interested IRL; even moreso the older they get.
Like people might realise that there is a housing crisis but once they become a home owner, then the lure of being a NIMBY to maximise the value of their property becomes too tempting.
"Think of how much damage, in the wake of 14 years of mismanagement, an even more left wing party might do! Never again!"
Can someone break this down for the non-british? Is this a good thing?
In Canadian terms, the Liberal part just got a majority after a long stretch of Conservative leadership, the ones that broke from NAFTA.
Something of concern is that the People's Party actually got seats this election, even more than the Bloc. And the Green part got another seat, so there's that.
The center (slight left leaning) party won by a landslide because everyone was fed up with the right wing party who’d been in charge for 14 years.
The far-right party went from 0 to 13 seats in a single election (think the MAGA of england basically). Since the center-right party lost so bad, people are scared the far right party will have more influence on the right and ultimately lead to the center right party either merging with the far right party or being more radical to “meet them”.
One could make the parallels to when Macron won the election with a centrist coalition a couple years ago, but in the process heavily weakened the center right party, which ultimately lead to the rise of the far right.
Ignoring that though. The center-(left) government will be much better than the government we had before.
I'd say it's debatable that they are centre-left. I know they are labelled that everywhere, but Starmer has made notable shifts to the right (or at least towards centre) from the slow left movement since the very much centre-right New Labour of Blair.
Excellent citation! Thanks for sharing!
Reform are right-wing, but they're not far-right anymore than Jeremy Corbyn was apparently far-left.
Two Reform UK parliamentary candidates have shared material deemed "vile" and in breach of the internationally-recognised definition of antisemitism.
Candidates of the right-wing party have previously shared on social media material defending Adolf Hitler, denying the Holocaust, conspiracy theories about the Rothschild family and Jewish financier George Soros, denial of antisemitism, and comparisons of the state of Israel with Nazi Germany.
Yes? There have been 20 candidates for the Green Party who were investigated for anti-semitism.
Let's not pretend that cranks only exist in Reform UK.
I’m not being funny mate but ‘reform’ is just a rebranding of the fucking NF make no mistake. It’s three steps away from brownshirts mate that’s what it fucking is.
Hysterical nonsense, but I expect nothing less from Lemmy.
Would you have said the same of UKIP?
Yes. UKIP now are far-right (hence why you don't hear of them anymore), but they were just a plain old Thatcherite right-wing party under Farage.
Nigel Farrage’s party is almost certainly far right compared to the status quo.
It's a big deal because the Conservatives have been in power for the last 14 years and everyone is sick of the sight of them. Current projections show that this may be their worst showing ever.
The downside is that their main rivals, the Labour Party, are a bunch of centrists who are not really promising much in the way of reform or change.
The other downside is that the Trumpish Reform party are also looking like they'll do quite well with xenophobic, right-wing, ex-Conservatives.
The Tories (UK Republican clones) are getting a clobbering. But not as bad as some had hoped.
Now I’m a Lib Dem voter but the UK Conservatives are not clones of the Republicans no matter how many times the internet says they are. When the Republicans made abortion illegal the Tories condemned it, and while the Republicans are trying to make same-sex marriage illegal it was Tory led coalition when it got legalised in the UK, and they didn’t put it to the public vote, they just did it.
Yeah, the Conservative Party are actually far closer to the US Democrats, largely because American politics swings much further to the right.
It's amazing how people pontificate and say things with such certainty when they clearly don't pay any attention to the reality.
They're not as bad as the Republicans, but given how they have been acting in recent years in particular it is definitely not an entirely unfair comparison. They're ludicrously, dangerously angry at asylum seekers and trans people.
It is also worth noting that more Conservative MPs voted against same-sex marriage than for it, despite it being one of their own MPs that introduced it
If you're a Labour supporter, yes. If you support the Conservatives, no. 😂
Labour is expected to win 410 seats, with the Conservatives on 131
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cn09xn9je7lt
I think the phrase "landslide" isn't going to do it justice.
Avalanche?
An avalanche is just a snowy landslide.
I'd say this is the appropriate time to actually use it and it has been overused for rather marginal leads before.
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