Be sure to follow the rule before you head out.
Rule: You must post before you leave.
(also some of you guys in the comments here have been yoinked by mods too… just be nice? this post was not an invitation to test out your boundaries)
by opening this spoiler you acknowledge that brigading and harrassment are against the rules
link to post in question: https://lemmy.world/comment/10965360
Locking this post. It's 2 days old and we're still getting new reports. Be nice.
If the mod team on this instance is going to be that prescriptive around how religion is mentioned, then they're better off just blanket-banning any mention of it altogether, like on Whirlpool.
If you're a , and in the natural course of discussion people start criticizing ideas that inform 's beliefs and ethics, that's not a personal attack. It's not 'bigotry' on the basis that you disagree. It's not 'trolling' purely because it made you upset.
I'm going to separately post the famous Charlie Hebdo cover in this thread, the one published after Muslim extremists murdered their people over cartoons. If this instance is so straitjacketed by Australia's ridiculous lawmaking in this area that it cannot tolerate such a post, then it's not a forum for adults.
...is so straitjacketed by Australia's ridiculous lawmaking in this area...
Seriously? Tell me you're American without telling me you're American.
oops i misunderstood which instance you were criticizing in my other comment my apologies
your comment is a little confusing and i have no opinion on it, take care :)
how the fuck is this an appropriate comment to make in response to someone getting yanked over explicitly saying a specific religion was "made up".
This is not a situation dealing with a critique of "Ideas that inform" this was straight up the statement "Your faith is made up bullshit and people died stupidly because of this made up bullshit"
Religions are made up. Most of us would be better off without that bullshit influencing our lives.
'Anti-religious comment' accurately describes my scenario. Anyone who dislikes the hypothetical critique can simply hit the report button and it will get wiped if Rule 4 is read at face value.
Anyone who dislikes the hypothetical critique can simply hit the report button and it will get wiped if Rule 4 is read at face value.
Oh, so you want to throw your terrible take out there for everyone, but you don't want to actually defend it or have people openly disagree with you?
Something that always gets me is when people lump in anti-religion with these others. Reglion in any country with freedom of religion is a choice, these other things are not. Someone doesn't choose to be a particular ethnic group. Someone doesn't choose to be disabled. People don't choose to be gay or have gender dysphoria People do choose to believe in things that I think are ridiculous and saying that I cannot call that out is just religious people saying you can't call them out. If you can tell me I am burning in hell because I don't believe in your pie man in the sky then I can tell you that you are stupid for believing in a pie man in the sky and comment on absurd actions that are caused by those beliefs.
Except, it often isn't a choice? Especially for women? Most people are born with their religion chosen for them. There are also clearly deeply ingrained universal drives that push humans to religious beliefs as well. Otherwise we wouldn't see them across civilisations on every continent, from antiquity to the modern day.
People do choose to believe in things that I think are ridiculous and saying that I cannot call that out is just religious people saying you can't call them out.
And what value does your calling them out add to the discussion? Does it lead to an interesting nuanced conversation? Or is it immediately just people insulting each other while saying nothing other than "you're wrong"?
If it never leads to useful or interesting discussion and only leads to flame wars and arguments then it should be banned.
To the extent of "what does calling out anyone for anything lead to an interesting nuanced discussion" so should we ban calling people out?
Ultimately it's ambiguous and we need to draw a line in the sand somewhere, but it's reasonable for people to disagree where to draw that line.
Calling out irrational religious belief helps remove that pollution from the zeitgeist. It helps take damaging, incorrect beliefs out of important decision-making processes.
Yeah nah.
You don't tell them they're stupid for faith. You point out that the bullshit they're spouting is explicitly stated by their pie man in the sky to be the real express road straight to hell. Much more fun.
based and yet human decency pilled
Like for instance every conservative Christian politician who was piously sworn in on the Bible, despite Jesus himself saying not to swear by anything and calling the practice demonic. By their own stated belief system they are inaugurating their public office with a satanic ritual.
This isn't some obscure passage either, it's in the Sermon on the Mount, one of the most famous scenes in the entire Bible. Anyone who swears on the Bible in any capacity clearly doesn't take it seriously enough to know anything about what it says.
And the alternative given to swearing oaths is just like... idk, maybe be honest in general, guys?
telling someone they are going to burn in hell for their religion/atheism would also be anti-religious and should be treated as such :)