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Hi,

A friend wants to degoogle his phone, so I suggested the OS I'm currently using. The one we can't talk about... He wants a small/compact phone, so I suggested pixel 4a (not buying second hand though), but I'm afraid that planned obsolescence may kill the phone rather soon. What's your opinion?

Cheers and thank you for your help,

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[–] [email protected] -3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Pixel 4a was one of the last in the Google lineup with a headphone jack (5a being last). The OEM lost its way after that. This enough to not recommend their devices as far as I am concerned.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Random hardware suggestions, using mobile Linux support as a litmus test

  • Pinephone (Pro): Main downside is that OG Pinephone has extremely anemic hardware, and the charging circuit is not controlled through hardware for some insane reason; hope the kernel devs of whatever OS you put on it knows how to not turn your phone into a bomb. Also Pine64 as a company has gotten flak for their support of Manjaro. Can't deny how good the price is though.
  • Fairphone 4: Good hardware, but expensive. I don't own it, but it works good on postmarketOS according to the wiki.
  • Librem 5: Overpriced compared to the earlier members on this list, but you can guarantee the phosh interface will work well considering it was developed by Purism as well.
  • OnePlus 6 and 6T: I don't know much about these, but they're very popular with the mobile Linux crowd.

As for the pixel, there's work on it but it's still broken at the moment. As for the hardware being too old, I haven't used anything Android in a while, so I don't know how much performance degrades each release, but a mobile Linux distribution should run just as good today as it will 20 years from now.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Umm one question by the way , why use Google phone to degoogle? There are plenty of good Android phones out there right?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Google makes the most open and customizable phones. Unlocked bootloaders, the ability to sign your own code. Rapid security updates for baseband drivers.

Nobody else comes close.

https://grapheneos.org/faq#future-devices

Actually pine phone is really open, but it's not android and nowhere ready to be a daily driver.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 months ago

While it is ironic, the pixels are easy to unlock the bootloader and have good support across lineage, calyx, and graphene. Been using one to degoogle for awhile and would recommend them

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Can someone explain to me under what circumstances would using an old phone be risky (under a common reasonable threat model)?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago (2 children)

No security fixes once the device reaches end of life. For pixel 4a end of security updates was 10 months ago. That mostly is a problem with malicious apps - there were some privilege escalation bugs in those 10 months - but sometimes you get a banger that can get exploited by simply loading a page or opening an image.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

I get it about malicious apps but what about just using mainstream apps and surfing the web with adblockers?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Wouldn't those be typically handled at an OS level? If you're using an OS that actually gets updates, you're only vulnerable to attacks at the kernel or driver level

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

If you are on stock software on EOL device you are not getting os updates either.

Also a bunch of recent vulns were in SoC specific stuff - outside os.

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