So they want self driving cars, which do not brake for pedestrians and cyclists? Do I understand this correctly?
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I haven’t read up on the new law but the EU already mandates that all new vehicles are required to have “advanced emergency braking”.
I wonder how different that actually is from the US law, or are the car manufactures making a fuss over something they are already doing somewhere else.
The one rule I would dream of seeing is soft speed throttling to ensure that cars and trucks stay a safe 3 second distance or more apart from each other. That should be relatively easy to do with basic distance sensing and calculations.
Duno about newer cars, but in a 2017 model bmw it tends to brake for parked cars quite often when using radar cruise control...
My 2017 Volvo just warns me if there's a parked car in a curve, never had it brake automatically for parked cars no matter the scenario, so I guess it's just that BMW's system wasn't quite there yet at the time...
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The Cupra Born I drove the other day (don't own a car and rely on carsharing and rentals for my business) while doing deliveries for a catering event did this. It was really annoying driving in narrow streets with it braking for parked cars.
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If the car is now expected to do the braking for me, does that mean I can floor it everywhere, knowing the car is supposed to brake automatically when detecting collisions etc. If it fails, who is liable? Driver, or faulty software?
“The car has AEB and it failed to detect the person in the road. The car and braking system failed so I am entirely not liable. Go sue ford instead”
Cars have had automatic braking systems like this for ages. The driver is always going to be the one responsible (short of some actual fault in the car)
Have had them for ages
Ive seen Volvo lorries with that, nothing else.
What cars are you seeing that have what the article is discussing, already implemented?
I don’t know if they meet all the requirements of this law, but I’ve seen Subarus, BMWs, and a Porsche that all had some form of automatic braking.
I think the Porsche was the oldest, around 2015-2016. It could keep even keep pace with the car in front of you
Current implementation clearly doesn’t meet the defined regulatory changes in the main article.
Not sure it’s really relevant
Precedent set by older, and very similar, technology seems pretty relevant if we’re talking about liability
I think we are talking on similar, but not the same, situation.
In your case, absolutely you cannot rely on the car 100% to brake and its your liability.
But when cars are mandated to have some very specific technology, which will require the driver to get used to etc.
What if that technology fails? IE like Tesla autopilot at the moment. The more vehicles are regulated to have “self control” on braking etc even up to self driving, at what point does liability shift from the driver to the manufacturer?
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These rules are convoluted and near impossible to apply. Specific braking speeds for some objects compared to others? That requires reliable computer vision, which hasn't been demonstrated anywhere yet.
And those speeds? 92mph is 148kph! Why the fuck are cars even permitted to be capable of that when no road in the country allows it? And why would you want to introduce unpredictable braking scenarios at such speeds?
What is feasible is a speed limiter based on the posted limit, but that'd be too practical.
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That does seem really dangerous, in terms of people who aren't expecting a he cars they're to stop. Or then our expecting their cars to stop and their cars don't stop. And how bad we know Teslas are at stopping.
On the other hand, if it is implemented, people will be driving super carefully.
adding this kind of a feature seems like it'll make cars more difficult to drive, and people are already so bad at driving.
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