"possible hate crime".....
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It’s not the journalist’s job to determine that, it’s a court’s job to do so. Until then, everything is alleged or possible.
You can use less washy words. For example you can say "a woman has been accused of a hate crime, if these alligatons are true then..."
The way these stories are written now not only use the "allegedly" they also tend to use language that down plays the event.
When you have so much hate in you that you're willing to murder a child, yet you'll guaranteed think that you're a really good person who just tries to make the world a little better.
Don't think of them as children. Think of them as Future Hamas Military Age Males.
Fuck you. Simply that.
I think of you as a right wing extremist who happily kills innocent children because in your rotten mind they're already militant. Forget about the fact that your killing is what causes them to become militant in the first place, murdering children is much easier, and in your case I imagine much more fun, rite?
Pretty sure the child in question was a girl, but I guess the woman didn't want to let facts stand in the way of her feeling
Allegedly? Sure
Allegedly is always used before a trial, everyone is innocent until proven guilty, even the assholes.
kinda tiring having the "allegedly" discussion over and over
It’s weird. It’s not something that happened so often. Bots, maybe?
pineapplelover doesn't look like a bot. I think some people just get Facebook brain where they do engagement without thinking.
Hate is an irrational emotion.
Aren't emotions by definition irrational?
Reading the article made the word possible a lot less necessary than expected.
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Police responded to the apartment complex pool in Euless around 5:44 p.m. May 19 regarding “a disturbance between two women,” Euless police said in a news release.
“Upon arrival, officers were told by witnesses that a woman who was very intoxicated had tried to drown a child and argued with the child’s mother,” police said.
The child’s mother, 32, told police that the suspect, identified as Elizabeth Wolf, 42, questioned where she was from and made statements about her not being American, as well as “other racial statements.”
The Council on American-Islamic Relations, or CAIR, said in a news release that the mother visibly appeared to be Muslim, as she was wearing a hijab and modest swimwear. Wolf also asked the woman whether two of the children in the pool were hers before she tried to grab one of them, a 6-year-old boy, who was able to get away, police alleged.
“The mother began helping her son when Wolf grabbed her 3-year-old daughter and forced her underwater,” police said. “The mother was able to pull her daughter from the water. Her daughter had been yelling for help and was coughing up water.”
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Fucking hell. That woman needs to be sectioned.
Holy moly,
So we have multiple murders or attempted murders of Palestinian children in the US since October 7.
But pro-zionist students on college campuses claimed they feel somehow threatened there. Clearly that should be more important than actual attacks.
Honestly if telling someone they can't murder buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo children makes them feel unsafe then I'm proud to make that person feel unsafe.
What this woman did was a heinous hate crime. But this isn't the oppression Olympics. There has been a rise in antisemitism too. No need to diminish that in order to assert that hate crimes against Palestinian people is bad.
When antizionism is wrapped up in antisemitism, it’s very easy to see why there is an uptick. There’s no such false equivalence for Palestinians.
Synagog shootings, of which there were 2 of in 2018 and 2023 in the US, are not atizionism being masked as antisemitism.
I’m viewing this from after the point when American media started caring about what was happening in Gaza; After October 7th. I don’t believe that tensions before then were anywhere close to what they are now. At least, as shown by the media.
So sure, while I’m not going to say those things didn’t happen, they certainly happened before shit hit the fan.
There is a very systematic and deliberate propaganda effort by many US media, infamously the New York times at the forefront to downplay antimuslim and general racist attacks and overexaggerate feelings of insecurity that do not represent actual danger. As a result of this peaceful campus protests including anti-zionist Jews have been brutally beaten down by the police and fascist mobs. So under the pretense of fighting antisemitism Jews are getting beaten up on campus. But according to the Zionists those are the "wrong kind of Jews" or "self hating Jews" so attacking them is justified in their eyes.
There's a lot of complexities with different groups downplaying and exadurtating. I won't deny mass disinformation in today's politics and current events. But I'm not going to diminish how a group feels about prejduece against them when they have experienced a mass shooting in 2018, 2 targeted deaths in 2023, a firebombing at a synagog in 2023, and more. The ADL, a pretty credible group (apparently not really), reported a significant increase in antisemitic incidents in 2022, before the conflict in Palestine gained attention and the Israeli government started ramping up their propaganda machine. Bottom line, I don't want to make this some kind of competition, especially on a post where we should be focusing on the abhorrent treatment of this Palestinian child, but antisemitism is a problem too and I don't think its OK to rug sweep the issues either are facing right now.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittsburgh_synagogue_shooting
https://www.npr.org/2023/02/17/1157788933/la-jewish-shootings-arrest-hate-crimes
https://www.npr.org/2023/01/30/1152461904/new-jersey-synagogue-molotov-cocktail
https://www.adl.org/resources/report/audit-antisemitic-incidents-2022
The ADL was just decided to be a biased source by Wikipedia as its definition of antisemitism is equating antizionism with antisemitism and they are a pro Israeli lobby group. That is not to say that Antisemitism is not a problem. But it is a problem where the perpetrators like in the Synagogue shooting are primarily white nazis. The same groups that then attacked campus protests speaking up for Palestine. So there is not only a trend to shift the blame to muslims and invent "imported antisemitism" like they call it in Germany, but even an unholy alliance between the classic antisemitic nazis and zionist groups
On the ADL, you're right. I had historically been under the impression they were credible and haven't update my information because I was trusting NPR. Thank you. But, my point still stands. 2020 onwards has seen a huge uptick in hate crimes targeted towards Jewish people outside of the ADLs statements. Pew research has also covered the issue: https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/03/17/anti-jewish-harassment-occurred-in-94-countries-in-2020-up-from-earlier-years/
I am also against the shift to blame Muslims. I'm only taking issue with trying to diminish the rise in antisemitism.
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