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Switching from beef to chicken isn’t as much of a sustainability flex as you might think | Chicken vs. beef is a false binary (www.salon.com)

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago

I went meatless for a year and discovered that a lack of animal protein seems to exacerbate my PTSD symptoms. It did make me a lot more creative with veggies, though.

I definitely think there's something to be said for the average meal contributing to the torture and slaughter of less than one animal per year versus contributing to hundreds.

What a horrible equation to have to consider. We really are, as a species, pretty monstrous. We normalize all the horrible shit people do to other living beings, to the environment, and to one another, but it's seriously worrying behavior. If you don't grant us the charity of looking from within a framework of the primacy of human needs, we really kinda make our fantasy monsters seem pretty laid back and non-violent by comparison.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago

Just stop eating animals.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yeah I definitely understand your perspective. I'm equal parts vegetarian, pescetarian, and vegan. But I'm not planning on skipping the fish just yet. It's linked to my heritage.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I'm equal parts vegetarian, pescetarian, and vegan

If you're pescetarian then you are neither vegetarian nor vegan.

Vegetarian: eats plants, no meat of any kind.

Vegan: a vegetarian who also does not use any animal-derived products.

Pescetarian: eats fish but no other meat.

Vegetarian and pescetarian are mutually exclusive - you can't be both.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I'm mostly vegan

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I know it is nitpicking but veganism is an ethical stance. I applaud everyone for eating less animals products and a mostly plant based diet is awesome. However, calling yourself mostly vegan is as accurate as calling yourself mostly muslim. Which i guess is possible but god damn confusing for everyone else.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

However, calling yourself mostly vegan is as accurate as calling yourself mostly muslim.

This is the dumbest fucking take ever, and you’re the reason people shit all over vegans. Everything you said after “however” is just nonsense.

Do everyone a favor and just applaud the person for eating less meat. Not everyone can eat like a rabbit overnight. It usually takes steps and time. Stop gatekeeping, it’s a bad look.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Do everyone a favor and either engage in arguments or shut up. I do not care about you feeling offended at another conversation. You can call yourself vegan and eat meat all day for all i care. It is just stupid, thats all.

Meeting baseline criteria is not gatekeeping but caring about the meaning of words. It is not that the person called themselves vegan and i said they are not. I said there is no such thing as mostly vegan but your reading skills seem to be on the same level as your arguing skills.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Dude wtf this is Lemmy not Reddit can we just keep it friendly?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

At this point i feel like every thing has been said. I have absolutely no problem with you, your points or your diet.

I think it is rather rude to start the conversation with "this is the dumbest fucking take ever" and then not even tell me why. That might be a reason why my answer to that person was also quite rude, but i could not help it. Excuse me.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

This.

Unfortunately the media have convinced the general public that veganism is solely concerned with eating plants. It doesn't matter how much plastic tat you buy from China or that your plant based sandwich is wrapped in plastic and you take three cruises per year.

There's more to it than just giving up meat.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You think it's confusing if I say I I'm half vegan half vegetarian?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yes, because its not making sense. This would make you still a vegetarian. While this behaviour might fit your own views it does not really fit the definition veganism holds. Again, id say it is akin to saying you are an atheist and a christian at the same time. It is nonsensical. Veganism is closer to a believe than a diet. If you do not hold the ethical believe most people will feel it to be actually offensive to their ethical stance ( if you call yourself a vegan while getting animal produtcs from time to time). Why not say you mostly eat plant based?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

If it's a belief then I am definitely vegan

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Beans and wheat are cheaper. Plant protein is like the cheapest thing you can buy.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago

Lentil gang

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Is this an American, no animal welfare regulations environmental problem or a global one?

The strange thing here substitution wise is that IMO fake chicken is closer to real chicken in quality than fake beef is (that you can get as mince anyway). So it's easier to substitute out the chicken than the beef.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Yeah, and wheat meat is not only cheap as hell, but gluten has like double the protein per gram than the dead animal flesh

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Globally, factory farming is dominant

It’s estimated that three-quarters – 74% – of land livestock are factory-farmed. That means that at any given time, around 23 billion animals are on these farms.

https://ourworldindata.org/how-many-animals-are-factory-farmed

You'll find the environmental effects are more so categorical than because of how its produced

How do the distributions between plant-based and meat-based sources compare?

Plant-based protein sources – tofu, beans, peas and nuts – have the lowest carbon footprint. This is certainly true when you compare average emissions. But it’s still true when you compare the extremes: there’s not much overlap in emissions between the worst producers of plant proteins, and the best producers of meat and dairy.

https://ourworldindata.org/less-meat-or-sustainable-meat

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

this uses poore nemecek 2018 and so it can be safely ignored