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THE POLICE PROBLEM

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    The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.

    99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.

    When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.

    When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."

    When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.

    Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.

    The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.

    All this is a path to a police state.

    In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.

    Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.

    That's the solution.

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INFO

A demonstrator's guide to understanding riot munitions

Adultification

Cops aren't supposed to be smart

Don't talk to the police.

Killings by law enforcement in Canada

Killings by law enforcement in the United Kingdom

Killings by law enforcement in the United States

Know your rights: Filming the police

Three words. 70 cases. The tragic history of 'I can’t breathe' (as of 2020)

Police aren't primarily about helping you or solving crimes.

Police lie under oath, a lot

Police spin: An object lesson in Copspeak

Police unions and arbitrators keep abusive cops on the street

Shielded from Justice: Police Brutality and Accountability in the United States

So you wanna be a cop?

When the police knock on your door

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (95 children)

Here in Denmark a crazed man attacked the Fields shopping center with a couple of hunting rifles. The first time something like this happened in a very long time.

Danish armed police had a quick response time. Loads of dudes with in full body armour and MP-5s guarding every main exit while other guys went inside to clear out the civilians and hunt the shooter down.

The sniper equipped helicopter circling the shopping center spotted the shooter coming out of a service door and he subsequently got caught.

I think in total only 5 people died, which was from the short period when the guy started shooting.

All the right wing gun addicts from America were chest thumping and table banging, shouting all over social media that this somehow was an example that gun laws don't work. However, considering this happened within a short period after the school shooting in America, all it truly did was make American police look like a bad joke.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (8 children)

Too bad the shooter wasn't black. The cops weren't trained for this.

This is a cop problem, not a gun problem. All the guns were working, including the shooter's. The cops saw fit to take their lunch hour instead of working.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

Uvalde is majority-minority. If cops went in, more kids probably would've died.

That's tongue-in-cheek gallows humor but sadly not too far off from reality.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I get what you're alluding to, but actually the cops yelled out that they were there and for any children hiding to come out (obviously well before they'd neutralized the shooter) and the kids who responded and came out of their hiding places were shot dead because the cops were too cowardly (or busy checking their Facebook feed based on video evidence) to actually protect these innocent 5-10 year olds. I have a child in that age range and my blood starts boiling even discussing this topic.

Let us not forget that these wannabe police even arrested parents who were willing to rush into danger to protect their children. That's all they were good for on this day.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

If we're playing "what if", my made up story is that they rushed in with 300 cops and nobody died.

But the reality is they did NOTHING.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I don't really get what you're saying.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

That most people there are minorities, and cops don't do well around them.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Just saw a video. Hahaha, I'm gonna stop being capitalist cattle and switch to crime.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

If your Mafia family is organized as a worker co-op, is it praxis?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

They won't let me be Italian.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I recall a conservative news segment where the "jounalist" and "expert" had discussed that the kids should have rushed the shooter and overwhelmed him. Doesn't matter they were 6-7 they should have stepped up and stopped it all.

Meanwhile, the actual people gained to do that wouldn't, despite overwhelming numbers

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

"Hey kid, it's up to you to stop another acute manifestation of the US' problem with guns"

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

No, it doesn't prove that guns in school won't solve the problem.

It proves you can't trust cops to do the bare fucking minimum.

If teachers had been armed? It might--might--have ended sooner with fewer innocent victims. At least the teachers had some skin in the game, and teachers usually care about the kids in schools.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Giving guns to teachers to fight school shooters is exactly the excalating move that I would expect from the US.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (11 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (2 children)

How about "Less guns in the hands of those who should not have them in the first place", like every other civilized country does? And guess what, those countries know "school shootings" only as something America does.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (4 children)

More like it’s yet more proof that you cannot rely on the police to protect you.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

That should be obvious based on the fact that they only respond to crimes that have already occurred. By their own nature, they're completely reactionary.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

Yeah none of those guns were actually "in the school" because thin blue line means ~~cops~~ cowards above anyone else. They won't risk their lives for you.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Apparently guns don't fix the fact that you're basically a fucking coward.

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