All this proves is that my children get a better education and better protection from their mother than government.
this post was submitted on 18 Jun 2024
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The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.
99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.
When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.
When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."
When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.
Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.
The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.
All this is a path to a police state.
In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.
Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.
That's the solution.
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Better protection for sure. Maybe you're really good at home schooling, but my aunt fucked my cousins up really bad lmao. But then again they didn't die in a shooting so maybe it's a win anyway.
2 of my half-sisters were homeschooled for religious reasons. Both ended up failing out of college because they didn't even have a rudimentary understanding of science, math, or history.
On the other hand, I know a guy who was homeschooled and, aside from us teasing him a bit about which sister he'd take to prom, he's perfectly normal and intelligent and had no problem making it as a radiology tech.
Everyone likes to poo-poo regulations as government overreach (and sometimes, yes, it is), but typically, they're just there to protect those who can't protect themselves (like kids who deserve a good education)
Yeah for sure. Like I wasn't trying to bash the individual I commented under. When it's working it's working. Only when it doesn't it's pretty bad. But then again that is a pretty irrelevant point for me to make since many kids make it through public school and are dumb as bricks. I guess it all just depends
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How does every other country tackle this problem 🤔
I see other people posting about mental health. NZ doesn't have a mass shooting problem. We do have a mental health crisis. What we don't have is guns. Americans always try to make this complicated. It really isn't.
Thing is, there will always be unhinged people. Or people who are very upset or desperate or confused. And generally, we can tell whether any individual person is like that. What you can do is not allow everyone access to machines designed to kill people
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Fewer guns. Better mental health treatment. Fewer guns. More safety nets. Less extreme poverty. Fewer guns.
You're emphasizing the wrong part, imo. The overall societal negligence of mental health, especially for young males, is the biggest 'fish to fry'. By that I mean the ratio of reduction in gun crime to amount of resources put in is best in addressing that issue head-on, and I feel said issue needs to get a LOT better before that will stop being the case.
After all, what's better: preventing a homicidal person from getting access to a gun, or preventing a person from becoming homicidal in the first place?
Preventing access to guns. That's actually possible
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Good thing cops are not legally required to help you in the US, even if you're about to be killed by a criminal.
Came here to say this. The SCOTUS has ruled multiple times that police officers and other agents of the government are only legally obligated to capture criminals, not prevent laws from being broken. A cop can legally watch someone execute someone and as long as they arrest the perpetrator afterwards, they are legally in the clear. Never believe a cop who says they are here to protect you. In a world where the laws are written to protect business interests and cops only have to uphold the law, the cops are nothing more than tax funded corporate enforcers.