this post was submitted on 18 Jun 2024
214 points (100.0% liked)

196

16442 readers
1546 users here now

Be sure to follow the rule before you head out.

Rule: You must post before you leave.

^other^ ^rules^

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
214
submitted 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
 

EDIT:

Context: This is an archived article from 1939 by "Foreign Affairs".

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/germany/1939-04-01/will-hitler-save-democracy

all 22 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago

Journalism has an adage that any headline ending with a question can be answered "no" by the readet who then safely ignores it.

I guess this article was from before they figured that out

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago
[–] [email protected] 166 points 4 months ago (4 children)

No one seems to have actually read the article, just the headline. This is the ultimate click bait title - kudos to the headline writer in 1939.

The tl/dr: It's saying Hitler's authoritarian actions were galvanising other countries to step up and protect democracy after the failures after WW1.

In the final paragraph:

It is one of the most interesting phenomena of Hitler's political activity that it has resulted in bringing about so soon such an overwhelming and unprecedented manifestation of defensive solidarity amongst the democratic peoples.

And the final line of the article:

It would be the height of paradox if Hitler, of all persons, were destined by his statesmanship finally "to make the world safe for Democracy."

The article is surprisingly prescient.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

I'd love to read it for myself but it's paywalled. Do you think you could run it through archive.is?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

When the headline of an article is a question, the answer is always "no".

Interesting that unwritten rule applied back then as well.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Like Putin uniting NATO countries

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Nah, NATO is a really bad example, it's not union it's usa controlling others members

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

Go tell that to France.

[–] [email protected] 55 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 months ago

In my defense, the contents were blocked by a paywall

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

Soon, we will get the same with Trump, Putin, etc.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 months ago (1 children)

That's either an April fools article or the dumbest take ever.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

It's a real archived article from April 1, 1939

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 months ago (2 children)

A real archived article from...1 April, 1939.

I don't think it's an April Fool's article, but from just the headline it would not be unreasonable to conclude that.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

It's a clickbait title. From what I see it basically says that Hitler gave democracies a common enemy to fight against and rally to defend their system

[–] [email protected] 40 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I think I get the point they're trying to make, democracy had become complacent and Hitler gave it a common threat and enemy, but in retrospect... Didn't work out that great now, did it

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago

It worked fine at the time, the problem is that all of that motivation to defend democracy was artificial, and slowly faded from the public as the war faded into the past.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

It's difficult to quantify, but I think there is a compelling argument to be made - just off of my head, WW2 led to:

  • the fall of German autocracy/restoration of German democracy (though Hitler did kinda break that one in the first place)
  • Italian and Japanese democracy
  • redistribution of wealth/power in Britain
  • the 4th french republic
  • alignment of the European democracies
  • establishment of the UN
[–] [email protected] 28 points 4 months ago
  • end of the British empire
  • eventual formation of the EU to replace the League of Nations

But also

  • invention of the nuclear bomb
  • by extension, escalation of the cold war
  • numerous coups against democratic leaders and proxy wars due to it
[–] [email protected] 20 points 4 months ago

Italian and Japanese democracy

And, albeit on a longer timeframe, Taiwanese and South Korean democracy.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

That authors name is Comfort Ero?