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Real question. I would like to know what drives you to hate Apple? (In terms of privacy of course because in terms of price it’s another story).

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 months ago

Mostly their marketing practices. They are designed well but mostly designed to keep you locked in one way or another.

For me, their desktop is not as intuitive as people make it seem and lacks simple shortcuts that most other desktops have.

On mobile, its the restriction of customization and options. They are getting better at customizing but still limit you on options for anything outside of their apps. They claim to be private but follow similar practices as other companies, just in a more quite way with better PR.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 6 months ago (4 children)

On mobile, forcing browsers to only be designed as re-skins of Safari. I would like an actual Firefox mobile browser that you can use uBO with. Right now Orion can do that somewhat, but it’s not polished.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 months ago

Objective c, mostly. 😐

But also the fact that other operating systems run better on their hardware. Linux on apple silicon outperforms macos on that same hardware. A tiny team is porting software to your platform almost completely in the dark.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago

No unlocked bootloader

[–] [email protected] 22 points 6 months ago

As a citizen of the world its because they are slavers and fuck slavery. One of the biggest lobbiest against fighting slavery too.

Having been friends and family IT though its because they suck. They suck to work on. They suck to devolop for. They suck to run server stuff on. They suck to game on. And they cost an arm and leg for the privilege.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 months ago

Always found their adverts rubbed me the wrong way, the technology as fashion thing. I also considered them the best brand on the planet for how successful their marketing was. Just not for me.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 6 months ago
  • Worst relation price - performance, you pay design not features
  • Apple is own by Apple, never by the user
  • Not share-friendly with other phones or systems; you are locked within the Apple world, you can't even download a simple mp3 without installing first the iTunes app.
  • Almost not repairable
  • It's the closest of all closed source, hermetic against all out of the Apple ecosystem.
  • Not more private than other
[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

One of the biggest walled gardens around. Also, they treat users like they’re stupid. No, you can’t do anything with your hardware or software that we don’t want you to. No, you can’t fix it, either. Windows/Linux you’re free to break shit, change whatever you want (not always for windows), repair a system you build yourself, etc. And I despise apple’s perceived “status” and premium pricing. We joke about #pcmasterrace, but there’s some weird social cache around messaging and even dating where you have to have an iPhone to participate. Tf is wrong with people.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I just hate being told what (not) to do. If there is a solution to the problem, fucking let me solve it. I don't need anyone's permission or be told to deal with it just like every other schmuck.

I feel like my intelligence is being personally insulted. Any company deciding that I shouldn't try to repair my phone, which is my property, because they believe I am too retarded to fix it, can suck a dick.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 6 months ago

Major privacy issues that come to mind include:

  • App store lock-in on iOS combined with terms incompatible with the GPL mean that some of the most privacy-respecting software cannot be distributed for Apple's mobile devices.
  • Apple proposed, but ultimately did not implement client-side scanning for end-to-end encrypted cloud storage. That such a thing even made it to the public proposal stage shows either incompetence (unlikely) or a lack of serious commitment to privacy (more likely). Apple's proposal may have emboldened EU regulators who are trying to mandate client-side scanning for encrypted chat apps.
  • Browser engine lock-in on iOS means hardened third-party browsers are unavailable.
  • The popularity of Apple's platform-exclusive iMessage service in the USA may be hindering adoption of cross-platform encrypted messaging. On the other hand, without it perhaps most of its current users would use SMS, which is obviously worse.
[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 months ago

They're more secure (albeit in many wsys security through obscurity) than private, although the privacy aspect is probably among the best you can get by default as far as I can tell. On the other hand, if you're willing to do some relatively simple steps and buy specific hardware, you can achieve better privacy and security on both mobile (graphene) and desktop (qubes) devices.

I personally dislike them for building unrepareable crap, tho.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 6 months ago

I don't hate Apple in terms of privacy. I hate Apple for a myriad of other reasons. Mostly related to locked down ecosystems.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago (5 children)

Do they really think we believe any of their lies? We don't control macOS, iOS, anti-libre software (it fails to include a libre software license text file, like AGPL). Dangerous! 🚩

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I use Mac's at work and whenever I have to use 3rd party accessories (keyboard, mouse, headset, USB switch, etc) that are not apple products they tend to have some issues. I use the same accessories on my personal PC and have never had any issues that unplugging and plugging back in didn't fix. Also I hate that I need to use two USB C to HDMI connectors to have two displays connected to my laptop.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Not sure if that’s a quirk of your particular laptop but I’ve been using a thunderbolt to dual displayport adapter for years and it works great out of one port to drive a pair of 240hz 1440p displays.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

It very well could be the mac that I have. It's a work laptop so it's not the top of the line mac book pro, so some more advanced display features may be missing. I haven't tried the dual displayport connection only HDMI. Might be worth checking out. Thanks for the tip!

[–] [email protected] 34 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Cos i dont trust anything that says privacy but doesnt open source and provide reproducible builds.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Their latest announcements are interesting because they say some of their privacy claims will be verifiable by independent firms (mainly when it comes to their custom built AI servers iirc). Is this actually worth something or is it just marketing fluff?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

Who gives a fuck what the server was running when tested. Its not like large companies have ever designed software specifically designed to fool when being tested is it cough vw cough. Its worth something so its probs gonna be fine for the majority of people but never trust anythibg that isnt on hardware u control running verifiably open source code or e2e encrypted.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Independent firms hired by them? Right. I don't think "independent" means what they think it means.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 months ago

Not because of their privacy choices, but because they have made it impossible for people to leave their ecosystem, and anyone outside of it can't use anything from apple (not like I would anyway)

[–] [email protected] 27 points 6 months ago (1 children)

There is no sideloading

No unlocked bootloader on iPhone, iPads and Apple Watches

The products are not repairable enough

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago

Well, there is in the EU, but that does not help anyone not here.

An unlocked boot loader is something that would have to be forced from Apple’s hands like sideloading was in the EU. No way in hell they would pursue that on their own.

Rapairability is a point that bugs me as well, hoping for right to repair laws in the EU to force all manufacturers to make the devices better in that regard.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I don't hate apple. Especially from a privacy record, they actually have a far superior history than essentially every other hardware manufacturer out there.

I think they're overpriced and I don't agree with some of their design decisions, and in general feel like they could give the consumer more control over things, which is why I don't personally have an iPhone or iPad etc., I use them at work and have nothing against them in general)

[–] [email protected] 18 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Especially from a privacy record, they actually have a far superior history than essentially every other hardware manufacturer out there.

That's what their marketing department wants you to believe. But basically all independent investigations into that have concluded that Apple is no better, just that they collect all the data themselves rather than allowing you to have it collected by Facebook etc.

If you look into their privacy policy etc. its very obvious that they exclude all their own surveillance advertisement and privacy invasive stuff from the limits imposed on others. If they truly cared about privacy they would not make these exceptions for themselves.

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