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Food and agriculture have a significant impact on our planet, particularly in terms of carbon emissions, water withdrawals, and land use.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

This can be misleading. For instance: raising dairy cattle in lush and water rich areas with no or limited dependency on fossil water is very different than dairy cattle being raised in the desert with 90% of the food being trucked in and the cheese also being made in the desert using extremely limited fresh water.

Beef is certainly super high impact, generally but how we go about it super matters.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Does it really make that much difference if 70% of grown plants globally are fed to animals?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

70% of grown plants globally are fed to animals

they're not.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

Seems like a weasel-y statement. Grass is a plant. Growing grass in places where it just grows itself and the animals eat it directly is disimilar to hauling grown, fertilized herbicide treated, insecticide treated, harvested, processed, trucked grains to feed animals.

The environmental impacts are wildly different.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

It makes the exception for land use change for chocolate, but isn't almost all agricultural land a land use change which contributes? Most soybean and other crops aren't as effective at sequestering carbon as the natural grasslands they took over. Orchards and other crops also took over forests and turned them into pastures and fields.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

If fish and prawn use so much water, we should figure out how to raise them aeroponically.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

The absence of palm oil--or any cooking oil--is pretty dubious.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

This infographic brought to you by the oil industry™

Please focus on this infographic and curbing your own satisfaction, so we can continue to be the biggest polluter AND make money hand over fist.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I'm a biologist and I fully agree with the infographic, unless you have any actual data points that disprove it to share with us.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Huh... Did you even attempt to read what you're citing, or have you just copied the first two Google results?

None of these sources is listing how much each food source contributes to greenhouse emissions - they're just listing how emissions are grouped by category (industry, agriculture, etc). This infographic is a breakdown of the food impact, not a ranking of which industry is got the most emissions - this is quite obvious.

Not eating red meats is the single most impactful change an individual can have on their carbon footprint, it does not mean it's the single most effective change the entire world could make. In fact, the very infographic you're criticizing mentions how much of these emissions come from food production.

Try again.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

There are tons of sources that show agriculture and food pale in comparison to the emissions of other sectors.

I'm happy that you could pass Biology, but you failed Statistics. Try again.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I mean not really.

Live stock accounts for 60% of land usage, but only 2% of calories consumed. Much of that land is growing feed for cattle. They eat millions more calories in grain than is harvested.

Meat is just such a luxury with how many resources it uses. Like the world doesn't have enough space for everyone to eat meat like the US does.

It also feels very cruel to grow so much feed for cows when people are starving.

But people love Meat and have it part of their culture so people won't stop no matter what.

So fingers crossed for lab grown meat so this debate can just vanish.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

most cows mostly eat grass. what crops are given to livestock is usually plants (or parts of plants) that people can't or won't eat.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

I think what they’re getting at is that the land being used to grow that grass and inedible plants could instead be used to grow plants that humans can eat.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Why/how does cheese use so much water?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

I'm betting it correlates with the water consumption of dairy cows. I think they are using the whole production needs from nothing to final product.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

Does this include shipping? For example coffee does not grow in Europe and needs to be shipped. Even more so for fruits.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

It's informative, but 1kg of beef and 1kg of coffee beans is not a meaningful comparison :D