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Meta post I've decided to make. I enjoyed the unixporn subreddit a lot when I used reddit more. I enjoy customizing my linux de as much as the next nerd.

But you definitely shouldn't use racist slang to refer to the process.

To be clear, I didn't know the origin of the term 'ricing' until fairly recently. I was chattimg with my friend and used it to describe my de setup. They informed me that apparently it's from car customization, and is a pejorative against generally asian men who customize their car to look like a racecar.

After learning this I was sad to realize just how engrained it is in linux de customization culture. I personally have stopped using the term, and I would ask everyone here stop as well.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Maybe a pretty popular food should not be used as a racist slang. You barking up the wrong tree bud

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (8 children)

The hexbear squad is really brigading the fuck out of this thread.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (19 children)

Instance has comparatively high and active userbase with a very high percentage of Linux users

Is this brigading? is-this

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

Noooooo don't comment on our public post on social media that we purposely allowed you to comment on wojak-nooo

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

thread appears on our feeds. we comment on it.

i understand it feels bad to have your beliefs questioned, but that's not brigading, it's simply how these websites work

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

there is no such thing as "brigading" in federation. it is just people commenting you don't agree with

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (13 children)

400 comments total is rookie numbers. You should check out the news posts involving either Russia, China, or Taiwan. Or check out this post where the admins of lemm.ee asked for the users' opinions of whether to defederate from hexbear.net. There are 1884 comments. (There was once more than 1900 comments, but I guess the mods removed some.)

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

too much discussion on your discussion platform?

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

This thread has 400 comments. It's on everyone's feed who federated with lemmy.ml

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

In general I don't agree with the sort of broad language policing some people seem to be advocating for here, but this word does seem pretty inseparable from a racist joke. What could rice have to do with computer customization? Even if it's distanced from the original meaning the word itself implies that racist joke. So yeah probably better avoided and replaced.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Linguist here. Totally agree the term should stop being used. As a practical concern, it would be easier to get people to stop using it if there were another term that was a drop-in replacement.

Yeah, we can say "customize" as the verb, but what about the noun? Sharing "customizations" doesn't really refer to the same kind of DE-specific customization as the other term.

Is there any such word in usage? If not, can we coin one and just start dropping it on forums?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Hi Linguist, which side of the linguist camp you are?; the one that thinks the meaning of the language is fix and people should be following it or the one that let people decides how the language works and let it change overtime?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

There aren't really two sides of the linguist camp. That language changes naturally over time is well documented.

And new coinages are part of that process. ;)

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

Huh, I was under the impression it was an acronym for Racing Inspired Cosmetic Enhancement or something along the lines of that. Parts that make the car look like a racecar but don't actually help it perform any different.

It could totally be a backronym that was generated after it's initial use though.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How the fresh fuck is this even a thing still? Even back in the 90's I heard dudes making gags about "Uncle Ben Hot Rods". You know. RICE IT UP!

GET IT? They're shitty race cars made by a shitty race who only makes cheap stuff!

🤮

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

Yeah I'm actually amazed people are still using this term. Figures it's about computers though lol, of course the antisocial nerds are stronger holdouts than car enthusiasts.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Im asian. I eat and like rice, even on my setups. I'm gonna keep using rice cause its not my fault yall western imperialists fuck shit up and dont wanna be reminded of it. also very western centric debate. Good job debate perverts.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

Asian here and rice eater here also and I think the right way to respond to racist cliches is with hostility, same way we ought to respond to Nazism and other forms of fascism. if you want to reclaim the word, fine whatever. But you're drawing a false equivalence between westerners trying to self-criticize their use of chauvinistic language, and the imperial governments that enforce that chauvinism in the first place (what the fuck dude)

Funny you're calling anyone a debate pervert

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Kinda curious as to what actual Asian folks, whether currently in Asia or of Asian descent, think.

I don't use the term anyway because I'm an old grognard and couldn't grok the lingo, but it seems to me that they're the ones other folks should be listening to on this.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

Asian American. It's offensive. I probably won't say anything, but I will look at you funny and assume you're ignorant at best.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Asian here and rice eater here.

Language doesn't work in absolute way, it could change its meaning all the time.

It's better to regain is neutral meaning instead of letting the racist weaponize neutral word.

Also, this mindset is also Western centric, go to Asia and people in Linux and car community simply use the word without any negative connotation.

Edit: By doing this, you're no different from imperial government who tries to make one standard of morality, which in fact further hurts Asian living in Asia. And as Indonesian, I'm hurt with your statement. Let me regain the neutral meaning. Don't speak for us.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ok, Asian here and rice eater here also and I think the right way to respond to racist cliches is with hostility, same way we ought to respond to Nazism and other forms of fascism. if you want to reclaim the word, fine whatever. But you're drawing a false equivalence between westerners trying to self-criticize their use of chauvinistic language, and the imperial governments that enforce that chauvinism in the first place (wtf?)

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

westerners trying to self-criticize their use of chauvinistic language

That's the problem.

Westerner often force this rules towards everyone.

Like that one time someone got banned for using "nasi goreng" as their username with reasoning "it has similarity with Nazism" despite it's on international group.

Or when Asian English group that usually co-exist within recognition of different culture suddenly has Westerner that policing everything about language. "Oh this is so offensive towards Asian", while no one in group never know or even used the word in negative connotation.

While in reality because SEAsian are multi-language speaker, we just self moderate in case of potential language conflict, like budak in Malay is children, but in Indonesian means slave.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

The thing is you aren't the audience. Discussion about anti-Asian racism in English tends to be focused on the experiences of e.g. Asian-American people and on the racist abuse they get from white people.

It's actually that exact kind of self-moderation, surely? "hang on, doesn't this word suck, let's not use it"?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The arguments being made here are the same ones that were used for f*ggot, tr*p, nword, g*psy, r*dskins, etc etc etc.

It's the same damn thing every single time, a bunch of reactionaries will piss and whine and piss and whine and piss and whine because they have to make the most minimal amount of effort to adopt a new word in their vocabulary instead of the problem one. They will piss and whine forever until eventually accepting it, like all the others historically.

They join a long long line of pissy whiney losers for making the same tired old arguments we've seen for so many things before.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

new world vocabulary.

lmao

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

Not sure I understand the joke?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's not a pejorative toward asian men at all. Not everyone is as racist as you.

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