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[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

These are just people skills. Of course you're gonna have to make people like you if you want to work with people. Half the brain is dedicated to networking with other brains.

And it's not actually that hard to agreeably disagree with someone. You say your thing, and then you do your little song and dance to make sure they know you respect them, and you go on your way.

A little bit of humility goes a long way. Hard scientists aren't above a little compassion, a little bit of care for explaining themselves to the public and to money movers.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

Underline tip

Throw a [ in the margin

For highlighting, highlight the tldr of each [ section, skipping over words deemed unnecessary to understanding it

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

that's how it workes everywhere

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 months ago

Seeing this, it applies everywhere including something as trivial as a retail job. I wonder if that's why I too dislike that sort of backroom politicking so much.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago
[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I've got bad news about...pretty much every career path.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

Yeah, it's an important skill to both be able to communicate your achievements and to be able to interpret achievements of others correctly (i.e. be able to see through their bs) in any job setting.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 5 months ago (5 children)

Isn't this true for all jobs? Specially corporate jobs? It's still horrible, but that's capitalism for you.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

Across the board, we have let people who are primarily motivated by accumulating wealth and power accumulate wealth and power unchecked, and then make all the rules for how everything around them works.

These are the last people you want making the rules if you desire sane and sustainable social environments.

The best thing we could collectively do for ourselves is strip and block these kinds of people from positions of authority on the sheer basis that they seek it so eagerly, tell them to their faces WHY, tell them they can't have it back and that they can ONLY have it back when they stop wanting it so badly, no matter HOW HARD they cry about it and then treat them with the same kind of disdain they've treated people who don't want to play by THEIR rules for centuries.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 months ago

The same problem exists in socialism

You need to convince people what you’re doing is worth doing. Whether that is economically or societally

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I'm sorry, but this has nothing to do with capitalism. If we were under a king, you'd still have to schmooze the king. Socialism may give you money to feed yourself, but it won't pay you to do science. An economic system doesn't prevent you from needing interpersonal skills.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Socialism wouldn't pay you to do science, but it would give you a universal basic income, so you could do science without needing to be paid if you wanted

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

Speaking as a Socialist, no, lmao.

First off, UBI's are not Socialism. In fact, they are antithetical to Socialism. They are Social Democracy, which is objectively the moderate wing of Fascism, the standard borne by those who think we can make a better society by instituting ranked-choice voting, net neutrality, and a 32-hour workweek without ever looking past the symptoms into the actual problems inherent in the system.

Under Socialism, the vast, vast majority of science will be done (as it is/was, in the USSR and China) by government or government-funded research organizations, where materials are supplied to them and their research is guided by the public interest.

Cranks doing "science" in their garages and basements in their spare time will still just be cranks.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

Most science can't be done on a basic income, you need funds to buy equipment, to operate equipment, and maintain equipment. Most science also can't be done alone. You have to be able to sell others on your ideas, in any economical system that is not post-scarcity.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

These scientists aren't schmoozing for a paycheck. Research is expensive. They're getting funding for equipment and personnel.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

It absolutely is like this in every corporate setting.

The key difference here is that if you don't play the game at TechCo Incorporated and spend the next ten years just entering data and being passed over, people will say "That's corporate life for you" and give you support and sympathy.

If you don't play the game in your academic field then you're "wasting enough money to buy a house" and that tends to raise people's ire or at least interest. It brings to mind all kinds of negative stereotypes in your own mind and makes you ashamed to be someone who doesn't want to play the social game.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

If you want to be in any creative field like art or literature, you have to be able to run a social media business. It's like 80% PR and 20% the creative work you actually want to do.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Not a scientist but I have been reasonably successful by proving my worth to the ladder climbers and then they pull me up behind them.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

This is also a form of marketing yourself to the correct audience.

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