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[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (4 children)

Turning off that shit is one of the first things I do on a fresh install.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (4 children)

It's soooooooo easy to disable. The pop up for it even tells you how!

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago

I like the noise it makes when you do it.

PS: That's my favorite Spongebob scene. The delivery is great.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Imagine you are disabled and only have the use of one finger.

How do you press "Ctrl-C, Ctrl-V"?

Stickykeys allows you to use your one functioning finger to press Ctrl then release it, then press C and release it, and you'll have done the equivalent of pressing both at the same time.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (4 children)

TIL about what sticky keys are for, but tbh in that case the person should really just use a programmable keyboard and map individual keys to those sequences.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (7 children)

but tbh in that case the person should really just use a programmable keyboard

So a disabled person should be expected to carry a programmable keyboard with them in case they ever encounter a computer in public they want to use? You think a person that has a disability that may only give them one functioning finger should be able to easily plug in a programmable keyboard to a public computer? What if that "one figure functional" isn't even a finger and instead a stick they use with their mouth to type? How easy will it be for them to plug in a custom keyboard they carry?

Should a wheelchair bound disabled person also be expected to carry a wheelchair ramp in case there isn't one installed on a building where they might need to enter?

and map individual keys to those sequences.

WHICH individual key sequences? The point of building this into the OS is that any application developer can write an application and know that the operator has full use of the keyboard. If the application developer includes some non-standard multi-key keystroke, the OS can still handle it for the operator with Stickykeys. What you're suggesting is that the disabled person be burdened with programming in each sequence custom in their own keyboard.

Why are you advocating that the disabled should be burdened? What is so horrible about Stickykeys to you that the disabled people should have to go without? If it bothers you so much on your PC, why don't you just disable Stickykeys in a Group Policy?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (6 children)

You are right, but wow, what a reply! I'm going to grab my dust pan and sweep his ashes up from the righteous fire that just consumed him.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago

It helps to know it's there and can be turned on on public computers by pressing shift 5 times.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

TIL what sticky keys is used for

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (5 children)

Sticky keys and the windows key I always immediately disable.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (4 children)

The windows key is so super useful though. Not just for quickly starting or finding shit without using the mouse, but also for moving windows around, maximizing them, making them take up exactly half of your screen, locking your screen, etc.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago

I mostly just game on my PC and accidentally pressing the windows key can minimize the game screen.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago

The windows key is the best key for determining whether or not your keyboard disconnected, or if windows itself has locked up.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

I am very confused why anyone would disable the super/command key. Ever since moving to linux its become the most used key on my entire board.

Admittedly i am using a shortcut heavy tillable win manager. Blown away how fun it is to operate a pc keyboard only. (Overspendinging on nice keyboard switches also helps)

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (5 children)

The Windows key as part of a combination is great. It's an extra modifier key.

The Windows key by itself is terrible because it immediately steals focus from the current application and can't be disabled without something like AutoHotkey.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (2 children)

My greatest trick in computer class was memorizing all the keyboard shortcuts and never using the garbage ball mouse.

Navigating a computer just by keyboard almost feels like magic still to some people and it's fun to rotate people's entire screens.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (6 children)

People with disabilities exist, and they use computers too.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It's a problem when Windows fails to properly disable an accessibility feature after a user chooses to disable it.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

If you had included the second sentence of your Edit in your first response I don't think you would have received a single downvote.

I left my downvote there because of the second to last sentence of the Edit. Apparently you think everyone should know about every single feature in Windows because it might be there for someone who is disabled, and blame them for not being aware.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

What irks me is that this opinions are always from abled bodied white dudes from The Gamers™ demographic that feel the need to act as if someone having a nice thing that might slightly inconveniences their gaming sesh once is somehow an alien feature meant to hurt them. The absolute lack of empathy is palpable through the screen.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

No, it is meme about people finding the unexpected popup they don't understand about something they are not aware of to be annoying. There are a lot of options in windows that don't have anything to do with disabilities that have similar popups which are also unexpected and annoying, this one just happens a lot for certain types of games.

Doubling down by making it about race too is comical. Do you think non-white people in the same situation don't find the meme relatable?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

You know what they say, not all white men, but somehow always a white men.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago

a white men.

LoL

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Sir, this is a meme board. I was on my commute. I have no accountability to randos on the internet.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago

Then maybe just stop being an asshole?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Do you think insulting people for not being aware of something, when the punchline for a meme is how people aren't aware of the thing, is how meme boards are supposed to work?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I have not insulted anyone, I used the term “ignorant ableism” and “rando” in a general sense, not addressed to anyone in particular, if you feel alluded that's on you not on me. On the contrary, I have been directly called “asshole” and “condescending” already for making an off the cuff comment not directed at anyone in particular because I was sitting in traffic and didn't have time to type a full paragraph to appease the sensibilities of, as of then, completely unknown people who somehow feel personally attacked by the fact that people with disabilities exist.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Maybe you shouldn't throw insults around while in traffic and then escalate to more insults when people point it out.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

My comment was: People with disabilities exist.

Your take: I'm being personally insulted.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I really think it's less "I don't understand and hate this accessibility feature" than "why is my computer suddenly interrupting what I'm doing to announce a feature I don't need?" The press-5-times thing is the problem. Why would a mobility-limited person even think that was how you turn it on, rather than say... knowing where in the Config panel it is, or turning it on during the computer's initial setup?

Computers also don't default to having a screen reader going, TVs don't usually default to having captions turned on (I'd personally love this being the norm, haha). It's a strange option to suddenly activate due to an arcane key combo. It'd be like turning on the magnifier because you quad-clicked on something.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Why would a mobility-limited person even think that was how you turn it on?

Because it is a standard PC feature codified by ISO, present in all computers since 1994 that was specifically required by organizations for the rights of people with disabilities who had to fight the tech giants for it based on the direct feedback from people with disabilities, and sometimes was implemented in secrecy by rogue developers who believed on it.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I feel like you're being deliberately rude and not reading what I said now. First off, thanks for dismissively passing me a link I need to pay $237 to read, no thanks ISO, but also I bet it doesn't say you must enable sticky keys by pressing the key 5 times.

I know this because Macs don't have this terrible shortcut enabled. You just turn sticky keys on in the Accessibility options. I also know this because the other article you posted tells the story of Gregg Vanderheiden, who wrote the first sticky keys driver in assembly and used the 5-press as a hack to signal for his driver to take over. Once the feature was officially implemented, the 5-press should no longer have been needed as a trigger.

And in fact, the "rogue developer" (Ed Tecot) who bravely worked on accessibility features from further down in the backlog for the Mac didn't implement the 5-press either. And that article specifically calls out Microsoft, by the original designer, for having a bad shortcut!

It’s turned off by default on Macs—as the inventors intended. “You want sticky keys turned off by default because it’s just going to annoy them,” shared Vanderheiden in the call. “It doesn’t help you, it doesn’t help them, it doesn’t help the disability community.” But somehow, the wires got crossed with Windows, and to this day it’s enabled by default, an accidental 5-Shift-press away from discovery.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago

You asked “Why would a mobility-limited person even think that was how you turn it on?”

They know because they were the ones who asked for it. Just like the first thing a person learning to use computers is what the mouse clics does, the first thing a person with disabilities learn when dealing with computers is what the disabilities functions are, they are widely documented. The very popup that MS shows up has an extensive explanation of what it is and link to disable it immediately.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago

Nobody, anywhere in this thread, said they don't.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago

Yea that is true, but you're not answering op's question.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Wow, imagine being this condescending and still not explaining anything!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Maybe they didn’t explain everything that you wanted to know, but they were not replying to you. They were replying to OP.

OP wondered what Sticky Keys was for, not what it is. The comment answered that it is for anyone who might need it to operate a computer, while highlighting that the needs of that population are often forgotten or ignored.

If you want further clarification you are welcome to ask. You don’t have meet a perceived slight with further condescension.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (2 children)

it lets you mimic holding down multiple buttons at a time while only holding down 1 button. Its primary use case is for people who would struggle holding down multiple buttons at once, as the person you are responding to said.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago

That isn't what they said. Someone could guess if they knew how sticky keys worked but there are many types of disabilites.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago

I sincerely appreciate it.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (5 children)

It allows users to press keys like Shift, Ctrl, Alt, or the Windows key one at a time, rather than holding them down while pressing another key.

And here is my obligatory; “just use linux”.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

How is Linux an alternative to Sticky Keys?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I somehow thought it was a Windows thing, but being an accessability feature of course isn’t.

I was also joking because it seems to be 90% of our comments to suggest using linux😅

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago

Or just turn the setting off when it appears the first time?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago

Also if you keep pressing shift repeatedly after the sticky keys window appears, it will eventually disappear and disable the prompt alltoghether.

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