possible to kill a child legally
Man neocons and libs are fucked in the head.
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This shit is a SUBSTANTIAL PART of why the democrat party will never see another vote out of me. Some stains don't wash off, some stench never leaves; once a genocider, always a genocider.
Did you stop voting for Dems when they did a genocide in Korea? Genocide in Vietnam? 40 year proxy war Afghanistan? Was it a genocide in Afghanistan when the US refused to accept two Taliban surrenders? Million dead in Iraq? Yugoslavia? Chile? East Timor? Panama?
I mean... Andrew Jackson, the founder of the "Democratic Party", was a genocidal warhawk maniac that signed the Indian Removal Act which was a edict to ethnically cleanse the Native American population and steal their land and killed waaay more people than Isntreal has. What made all those bigger stains wash off, but not this one?
I wasn't old enough to vote for like any of the bits you named, and where I lived didn't teach Jackson's fuckshit, so... I know you thought you were cookin but maybe stay out the kitchen next time if you're gonna break every egg in the fridge and still manage to not make an omelet. "Watabout watabout watabout" is all I hear out of you.
Whoever greenlit your account really should be second-guessing themselves right now, because the more I think about this, the more it don't sit right with me; why you out here caping for genociders with such a backhanded gish gallop? These devils don't need advocates, so what the fuck is good?
There was never a vote for any of those things, just the party itself. I'm reading your previous comment as a red line moment that made you stop voting for them. The key phrase being "another vote".
I'm asking why this is the red line for you on voting for an historically genocidal political party, and not some other earlier atrocity?
Oh, so this is a holier-than-thou flex, got it. I don't owe you a single motherfuckin explanation for dick, how's that. Foh.
Nope, I'm not doing any kind of flex. I've never even had the ability to vote in US elections, so I have no moral interaction with that question.
Its just that I've been talking to Dem voters lately who've finally decided that Palestine was a red line for them, and I can't help but to wonder why all the other US-backed deaths in Gaza or million dead in Iraq was not. As you'd probably expect, the reactions are usually defensive to hysterical. I'll admit was hoping for a more interesting or honest dialogue about it here.
I don't think they are defending Dems. Making some weird assumptions about your voting record though which is odd.
Definitely not defending Dems. I can't even read that in any way other than 'this political party committed a mountain of war crimes'.
I'm not assuming anything about their voting record other than that they claim to have voted for / supported that party in the past. Considering that all the Democratic party votes and cheerleading for endless war and atrocities is public record, I think it's fair to ask why earlier events in history weren't enough to come to the same conclusion.
Not speaking for supa specifically but it's not fair or reasonable to expect people to have perfect knowledge at all times.
No of course not, but its hard to imagine American voters forgot the US military killed millions of people in my country. It was a pretty big deal at the time and there sure are a whole lot of films celebrating it.
It really is an honest question, though. I think it's interesting where people draw lines and "I really didn't know about those other things" is also a totally reasonable answer, should it be offered.
I mean... Andrew Jackson, the founder of the "Democratic Party", was a genocidal warhawk maniac that signed the Indian Removal Act which was a edict to ethnically cleanse the Native American population and steal their land and killed waaay more people than Isntreal has. What made all those bigger stains wash off, but not this one?
I knew this as a child. When I got to voting age I thought maybe Obama would close Guantanamo, so I voted for him. That is the only time I ever voted for a president. People can be wrong for thinking harm reduction is a valid choice.
You just came in real hot with an account that has almost no history how is anyone supposed to know your intentions when you come in berating people for explaining how they learned they were wrong?
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Yep. You got me there. I haven't had a single social media account since I was banned off of reddit two years for calling Ukraine a "nazi-ass proxy war". Been lurking here for a while now to cope with depression.
Enlightened centrism.
"Charge the Nazis with genocide, but also charge the Polish Ghetto Uprising with genocide"
I've seen parallels drawn and have drawn parallels myself between today and the 1920s and early 1930s, especially in Germany.
This isn't that. This is 1943, when everyone knows exactly what's happening, and they're standing by and defending it.
4th Reich ass country
Hell, one can consider the US the original genocide-reich. The previous European imperial projects before had been horrendous and genocidal, yes, but genocide (outside of cultural genocide) had not exactly been the intent (but rather ruling over, and literally exploiting the natives to death).
The US was the first great genocidal settler-regime, and the ever-expanding success of its genocidal settler policy convinced its progenitor (Britain) and the rest of the west to follow in its footsteps; the Nazis themselves were directly inspired by Manifest Destiny (and the romanticization of taming the "wild west" in the works of Karl May), and explicitly attributed this inspiration multiple times by prominent leaders, for instance in Hitler's Mein Kampf.
It's not a coincidence that when Churchill also referenced first the indigenous peoples when he spoke deriding the Palestinians as "dogs" who don't deserve their homeland- in his exact words,
"I do not agree that the dog in a manger has the final right to the manger even though he may have lain there for a very long time. I do not admit that right. I do not admit for instance, that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly wise race to put it that way, has come in and taken their place."
The US is not the 4th reich. The US is the Great Reich, the first western state to wholly and utterly embrace genocide in its entirety and as its reason for existence, and from which spawned many pale imitators, and also in many ways the purest form of the genocide-state, a nation which has not one inch of land it did not steal and dispossess the natives of, not one inch of land which is not an ongoing site of lowkey, silent genocide- and a nation which has fought against indigenous peoples wherever they exist, backing fascists, or other times instigating tribalist divisions and extremists, etc...
You are absolutely right. I was thinking about Open Veins and Memory of Fire by Eduardo Galeano and about it's impossible to correctly fathom the Native American Holocaust. Compared to the "great Reich" as you put it, all the other ones are Fischer Price, my first genocide, even the horror we see in Palestine.
Going back in time to kill Hitler shouldn't be the cliche, it should be sinking Columbus's ships.
Agreed, Columbus (and the conquistadors, and the US' "founding fathers") were monsters even for their time (though celebrated as "our monsters" by the settler and imperialist societies). Washington's name among the Iroquois (Haudenosaunee) was "Conotocaurius"- which translates to, among various things, "Town Destroyer," "Burner of Towns," and "Destroyer of Villages."