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It seems like all packaged foods do this now (lemmy.world)

submitted 11 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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I bought 175 g pack of salami which had 162 g of salami as well.

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[–] [email protected] 160 points 11 months ago (19 children)

Sup, I'm your local friendly USDA contractor who very much uses scales everyday. Consumer grade kitchen scales are terrible and will lie to you. The fact that it does not go out to the tenths or hundredths is a big flag for accuracy.

We check test our scales twice a year to make sure they are accurate. I once tried check testing my kitchen scale I use for canning for giggles and it failed miserably. It would only register weight on 2 out of 4 quadrants until I got to 10g or so. I'm sure my ohaus is going to show a different and more accurate result if I where to try it.

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[–] [email protected] -3 points 11 months ago

I'll take blatant consumer fraud for $500, Alex

[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago

Marginavera

[–] [email protected] 26 points 11 months ago

Well... Cardboard is quite edible, maybe you should also put it on the balance.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I weighted my 500 gram broccoli recently and it was over 800 grams so I guess this goes both ways. Or then they're compensating for the stem.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 11 months ago (2 children)

But you can eat the stem. Just peel it and cut it into pieces.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Very nice pickled too! Or you can cut it into strips with a peeler and flash-pickle them for a nice little garnish.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Compensating for the stem.

Ain’t nobody want the stem. The floret…now that’s the good shit. Motherfuckers go HAM for the floret.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago (1 children)

That's because motherfuckers are idiots.

Chew that stem bruh

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Depending on where you live this is actually illegal. In Germany, as example, if you say that something contains 200g it means that there have to be at least 200g inside. If its less, that can cost the producer a lot if he gets fined for it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Not really: The average has to be equal or higher as on the label, and the per-package negative error can't be, for things 300-500g, greater than 3%. 3% of 410g are 12.3g so 402g are actually within EU spec.

Also your kitchen scales aren't calibrated that's another +-1% error even if it's a half-decent one.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Except no. First issue it's messured wrong. You messure a full package and then an empty one in the factory. Losses during shipping and so on is the problem of the customer. Especially meat looses a lot of water. People don't weigh the water in the cloth.

Also the little e (estimated sign, 76/211/EEC) besides the package does specially allow variations. Only the entire batch must be correct on average. But there is a limit on how much variations is allowed. And big companies are closely watched.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

Ah kk. Didn't knew that.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 11 months ago

Right. And they actually do it. Another thing: there's a list here von "Verbraucherschutz" (consumer protection) that lists all products that have less than before in it to the same price, of course it's on the package, but most people don't pay attention to it. The "Mogelpackung Liste" (cheat packaging list): https://www.vzhh.de/mogelpackungsliste

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Weigh some things you know the exact weight of like 1L of water or your phone (you can google most phones weights, without the case and only if you dont have a screen protector of course). I had the same issue at home but realized my scale was jus off most of the time.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

If your scale is 0.01g precise, just measure a coin. Everyone has them and they have really exact weight (down to the .01g).

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Scales that go to 0.01g can't weigh 400g. Or at least not with the same precision. At 0.01g you definitely need to calibrate the thing to local gravity and, depending on your geology and whatnot, insulate it against vibrations. Weighing stuff gets crazy fast when it comes to accuracy though 0.01g isn't yet in "hold your breath" territory.

Generally speaking if your scales don't come with a spec sheet don't trust the number of digits. And I've never seen a spec sheet for a kitchen scale that wasn't from G&G, a manufacturer of professional scales that happens to build kitchen scales with left-over sensors not making the cut for the professional series. Their top consumer model does 0.1g from 0-3kg, 1g up to 15kg, forget about weighing spices or such with any other scale with that kind of range you need a second much smaller one. 55 Euro, doesn't like rechargeable batteries but can run off a wall plug and you can also solder on the data port that's missing it will spit out measurements over it just like the professional ones. Oh: LED display. As in not LCD. Green on black, actually readable. In a sense it's worth the money just for that.

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[–] [email protected] 178 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (4 children)

Let me introduce you to tolerance in measuring instruments and measuring errors.

Edit: Apparently I'm pro evil companies because I just pointed out that scales (and more importantly non-professional scales) have relatively high error tolerances (+ the measurament method error). Thus the measuring of this pasta and the possible interpretations of it have to take into account that.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Somehow its always lower than claimed.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 11 months ago (1 children)

"Always" is a really strong word that you should not be using in this context since it's just not true.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago (1 children)

For example, there once was more than indicated on a package of lentils in 1958. So it's clearly not always.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Got em!

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[–] [email protected] 50 points 11 months ago

When was the last time OP performed a guage R&R with a traceable calibrated mass standard? 😂

[–] [email protected] 70 points 11 months ago (3 children)

On our packaging (Germany) we have a little "e" meaning it will be ± the weight with a deviation of 1.5-9% depending on the volume.
https://www.payback.de/ratgeber/besser-leben/kleines-e-auf-verpackung

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

I weighed wet cat food packets and they're supposed to be 85g net weight but it's gross weight. Kind of convenient, isn't it.

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