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The article gets quite a lot right. Both sets of products are solving problems that didn't exist, and create problems that very much do. These range from psycho-social problems to physical environmental problems.
The answer is don't buy either. But that means being ok with being able to smell one another. That would be a return to the default state of probably a million years. But how are we all going to do that at the same time over night?
But that means being ok with being able to smell one another.
I worked for an international company and during the company retreat, HR had to gently tell a few people to wear deodorant.
Not trying to shit on cultures and countries that don't believe in it, but it smelled like a teenage locker room had sex with a mtg convention. Even the hippy developers were disgusted.
The ancient Greeks and Egyptians used perfumes to make themselves more appealing.
It's like saying people never complained about the heat before the invention of the air conditioner.
Nope. Wear your deodorant. It was invented because it makes people smell more recently cleaned, which has always been more hygienic and therefore more appealing. The problems do exist absent of culture and marketing.
Honestly I prefer slight body-smell over the typical Axe mix with sweat.
Another thing: you smell less when you're not constantly using deo (and washing your skin with soap etc. water is enough most of the time).
Just have good hygiene and eat/live healthy, you"ll be surprised that you don't need deo most of the time.
You're not comparing apples to apples when you compare the worst and most overpowering body spray to "Slight body-smell".
And you smell less after establishing a no-deodorant routine. You still smell, and a lot at that. Diet isn't going to get rid of that. People still notice and you still stink.
Not everyone is the same, some people should wash more often or wear deodorant, some people don't need to.
Yeah, my experiences during COVID when I couldn't leave the house and stopped wearing deodorant is that the smell doesn't become less. I didn't wear deodorant for over a month and it was the same.
Have you tried just using just water while washing armpits? This had by far the greatest effect of reducing BO for me. I mean it's still there, but not that it concerns me most of the time, I'm also sometimes washing armpits with water during the day, when I'm sweating more than usual.
So what you're telling me is, the solution to stop bacteria from producing smells is to let it multiply and thrive? Everyone who has ever given me the advice you're giving me stinks of BO. Our ancestors stank. You're not producing less stank, you're just getting used to it.
Well the "stink" is AFAIK produced by bacteria etc. after sweating, i.e. stale sweat.
AFAIK fresh sweat has a somewhat arousing effect on the opposite gender.
I guess, when you're not constantly drying out your skin by washing all the body fats away, it just needs to produce less body fluid to nurture the skin etc. which leads to less stink, because it can be washed away quite effectively (but less so the body fats) by just using water (not as effective as with soap etc. though, but it takes maybe 2 hours or so and then I'm stinking when using soap, btw. counter-example to that I'm getting used to the stink). I also think the different composition of the skin flora may add to that.
Before you're judging, have you tried washing the skin with just water (my skin health has improved since using only water on the body, and I have rather sensitive skin)?.
Sounds like bro science to me. I'm a greasy mfer and my skin is fine with being washed
I'm no expert, but there's a chance you're just getting used to the smell (Of course everybody is a little different and some people barely smell and others, like myself, have quite a strong smell). Which, ironically is kind of the point. I believe before deodorant people had ways to make themselves smell nicer, but I don't think they had anything that completely stops the BO like deodorant does for such a long period of time. So, I guess it kind of did solve a problem that didn't exist, because people normally would smell.
On the other hand, at this point most of modern society likes when people do not smell like BO, So I will be continuing to use deodorant.
ok funny question. If we're concerned about the shit that's in deodorant, are we concerned about the shit that's in stuff like makeup?
Or is this just one of those conspiratorial things where we only focus on the one thing because haha funny cognitive dissonance thing.
I'm in the minority, even among the people I associate with offline, but I'm concerned about the shit that's in everything. Anything I put on or in my body. That also includes things I put on my dog or the food I give him. If I see/smell someone treated their lawn recently I don't let him walk on their grass because I know he'll lick his paws later and get sick.
(Yes, I wear deodorant.)
fair enough. Just curious what the general sentiment among the public here is i guess.
I’m just going to leave this here.
Non-aluminum. Micro silver. Doesn’t leech into the body. Works for days. Actually works.
There were a couple small studies that raised concerns about aluminum in antiperspirants. Larger higher quality studies found no issues.
There are no real antiperspirant ingredients in the product you linked. Zinc oxide is a mild astringent which could possibly reduce sweating but if it does at all it's not by much. Microbial claims around silver in deodorant are dubious at best. No studies have shown it to be particularly effective at inhibiting odor causing bacteria. Anyone with BO will stink on top of the smell of deodorant.
The product doesn't claim to be an antiperspirant, and it's not. It also doesn't have any fragrance for deodorant.
I recommended the product because it works for me better and longer than anything else I have ever tried. I still sweat, but even 8 hours after working out, my underarms still don't smell when using this stuff. During the winter, if I wasn't particularly active, It would last 4 days.
yeah, it doesn't have any ingredients that would do that. you're lying or delusional
You don't need to personally attack me. I'm sharing my experience in the hopes it helps others. I'm not paid by the company or anyone else. I have no secret agenda.
Ooh, haven’t heard of this. I’ve been using a regular deodorant without anti perspiration the last few months and… it’s ok. But now that it’s getting hotter, I reach for the old aluminum stick if I have to go into the office.
I bought this (impulse buy, but on sale!) and we’ll see how it goes! My wife will tell me if it’s not working :)
There is special lotion that basically glues the Sweat glands, but your doctor needs to prescribe it in most places...
Oh wow, that seems like it would be pretty effective but probably not great for the body.
I have been using the Nuud stuff for a year and I love it. I’ll never go back to anti-perspirants.
Its not perfect, but doesn't do harm as it's not putting something in the body. Also its a lot better than sweating liters a day.
Are you talking about the nuud stuff or the "gluing glands" stuff? Because if it's the latter, I'm not convinced that it doesn't harm or "put something in the body."
Yes, its not gluing its acid, so basically burning them shut.
That's far from not doing harm, though. But if it's harmless in the sense that a vasectomy is harmless, I guess it's fine.
I never use deodorant. Also don't ever use shampoo. I shower once every two days. Never get complaints. Working as a nurse, I;m always close to people who would definitely tell me if I smelled bad. Not saying this will work for everyone nor that everyone should do the same. I do however think that the industry has been successful in marketing these products as must-haves for daily use and I know that's a lie. Many people who wash regularly won't have strong odor with or without deodorant or shampoo. I did use them during puberty and I was a bit uncertain when I stopped. They work on your insecurity, and so you're inclined to keep using these products, everyday, all the time, just to be sure. No one wants to smell bad. I volunteer in a sort of day care for the homeless and the shame people feel when they smell bad and others notice is incredibly large so it makes sense people stick to their deodorant just to be sure. There's also really no harm in it, but I feel like our hygiene-cleanliness culture is quite extreme sometimes. Deodorants are a real solution for a real problem obviously, but many people over do it and when overdone people reek of deodorant or perfume. Like old ladies on a bus. Yuck.
my psych/socio teacher in HS had a rather funny litmus test for that one.
Words from his mouth were "if your ear wax is dry, you probably don't stink anymore"
What does ear wax being dry have to do with stink? Just wondering
You can wash regularly and have strong smell. AND it's not very good to never use soap.
People that bathe in parfum are bad as well.
I tend to disagree. I guess it depends...
I'm using shampoo for hair, though only because I think a lot of filth that's flying around in cities (and dust in rooms) collects there (and it gets itchy).
But as a counter example: I washed my feet with soap a long time ago and had constantly issues with fungal infection there. Then I stopped that (and only use water) and never had these issues again...
Sounds like you should see a doctor about the fungi. They don't just go away.
Well as I said, I never had any issues again since like 7 years or so, got healthy feet etc. so I guess that this indeed has gone away?
AND it’s not very good to never use soap
Unless we're talking about washing hands I disagree. Soap is bad for your skin. Water alone is enough to do away with any dirt on your body, and the downside of soap is that it also does away with all sorts of oils that your skin needs to function properly.Of course there are mild soaps, but still it's not really clear to me what the benefit of soap would be.
Can confirm. My dad's bo is sour. Stinks up the bathroom and with the least bit of sun, the effect of exessive showering is undone.