Pot trying to call out Kettle.

F. Doubt.

Ma-trix! Ma-trix!

I know that Telegram has a lot of users, so I'm not describing all of them here. But I've noticed that it seems especially popular among people who kind of like to "play pretend" as underground hackers. You know, the kind of person who likes to imagine that the government would be after them.

This mudslinging feels like more of a marketing campaign than anything else. An info op that will work well on the Telegram users who like to imagine that they have outmaneuvered all the info ops.

There is also Matrix, which has advantages over both of them.

Edward fucking Snowden has recommend Signal and I think if anyone knows whether it's secure, it's probably him and the NSA.

That and he is paranoid to a point where he physically kills all mics and cameras on his devices, so if he claims anything is secure, I will believe him unconditionally.

I am going to repeat what I have said for another similar post.

I still stand for Signal App.

• Telegram has no default E2EE, Telegram is run by for profit company
• Multiple flaws were found in Telegram's encryption algorithm
• Almost all cleartext messages are stored on telegram server, but signal stores encrypted message temporarily
• Signal is non-profit & all their source code + finances are public. Even their server codes are publically available

~~claiming it has ties~~ Which lines of its libre software source code are malicious?

he's probably projecting, yawn

The CEO also claims that users' Signal messages have popped up in court cases or in the media, and implies that this has happened because the app's encryption isn't completely secure. However, Durov cites "important people I've spoken to" and doesn't mention any specific instance of this happening.

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The Register could not find public reports of Signal messages leaking due to faulty encryption.

Claims made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

Durov's entire criticism seems to be based on implications and have no actual evidence of any technical problems with Signal. He's basically just throwing shade at a competing business, which amounts to whining.

sighs

They've never been shy about saying this.

Yeah, I'm going to take this with a massive dose of salt. At least, Signal has encryption on by default for people. Where Telegram does not.

I wouldn’t put a lot of trust in Telegram. Not only is their cryptography off by default, it’s a bespoke hand-rolled non-standard algorithm that might not work as well as they say. Oh, and it’s been potentially backdoored by the FSB (Russia’s CIA) for six years.

https://www.cnet.com/tech/tech-industry/telegram-reportedly-ordered-to-share-encryption-keys-with-fsb/

This is the best summary I could come up with:

Telegram CEO Pavel Durov issued a scathing criticism of Signal, alleging the messaging service is not secure and has ties to US intelligence agencies.

Durov made his remarks on his Telegram channel on Wednesday, pushing a variety of points against the rival messenger app, including alleging it has ongoing ties to the US government, casting doubt over its end-to-end encryption, and claiming a lack of software transparency, as well as describing Signal as "an allegedly "secure" messaging app.

The comments seem to have been inspired by a City Journal report that detailed the origins of Signal, which was kickstarted by a $3 million grant from the US government's Open Technology Fund.

The report says that Maher was an "agent of regime change" during the Arab Spring, and communicated with dissidents in the Middle East and North Africa.

The CEO also claims that users' Signal messages have popped up in court cases or in the media, and implies that this has happened because the app's encryption isn't completely secure.

It's hard to say, but Durov may be making a reference to Sam Bankman-Fried, whose Signal messages were a key part of the trial that resulted in the ex-CEO being convicted.

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