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Why the sudden increase in removals? (lemm.ee)
submitted 6 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
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Not trying to start anything, and if this is the wrong place to post about it I apologize, I'm not sure where else to broach the topic, but as a user I've noticed an enormous increase is moderator action today and I'm curious if there was some catalyst that the userbase should be aware of. Prior to today, the modlog shows only a few mod actions most days, and previous entire months can fit within one screenview. Furthermore, most of those actions were locking posts or removing and reprimanding specific offending comments. Yet today there is an entire wave of moderator actions, including such vague notes as "Troll Post" on meme posts with significant engagement.

I promise I'm not trying to start drama, I am just concerned as I love Lemmy and want to see it and the community thrive, and I am concerned about the same issues that plague Reddit could potentially find their way here.

That said, I also understand this isn't a democracy, so if the reply is simply "that's how it is," I guess I'm going to just shrug and accept it.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Just to clarify a few things:

  1. Our mod log will show all federated mod actions, not just actions by lemm.ee mods and admins. So if any other instance is generating a ton of actions, it will also be visible from our mod log. In fact I don't think there has been any increase recently in lemm.ee mod actions at all.

  2. The mod log does not actually get cleared, there is simply a UI issue in Lemmy which makes it a bit hard to view the mod log chronologically. The UI makes it appear as if the mod log is one single list of actions, while in fact it's different lists combined together (one list per each action type). You will notice some really old actions even on the first page of the mod log, this makes it seem as if there is a "missing period" in the actions, while in fact you are actually just seeing the first page for each different action type. If you navigate to subsequent pages, you will find all the "missing" actions there.

In practical terms, it's not really possible to clear the mod log at all, thanks to federation. Even if one instance will delete their local mod log records, those records would still be visible in other instances which they previously federated out to.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

I will say though, I do wish the modlog included which mod performed each action, as I think would be a good anti-abuse measure, and I am still concerned about a lack of recourse when a mod acts erroneously, such as in the case of removing entire a thread that at best was in the grey area of whether or not it matched a community's intent. But that's just my $0.02

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Thank you for clarifying, both of those points radically help my understanding of the situation 👍

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago (2 children)

actual answer: it doesn’t increase, lemmy just stops showing some stuff in the modlog after two days or so. been like that for a while. you can still find older actions using the search tools but if you just start scrolling back it starts to get more and more sparse.

why is this? no clue. so sorry for the half answer but suprised that no one else has commented this yet as i have been aware of it for a while.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Yeah stuff from my screenshot is now missing from the Modlog.

Maybe I'm missing something here, but what's the point of having a Modlog if the Modlog can be cleared? It's no longer a Modlog, it's a Mod-presentation-log, which is different.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

yeah these are valid questions. perhaps it’s a bug?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

Ah, well that dramatically changes my perspective on the matter. Thank you

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Join their matrix chat. You'll learn even more...

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I'm not savvy enough to even know what that means. Is matrix a discord alternative or something?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=im.vector.app

Pretty much.

If you make an account just type lemm.ee and lemmy in the search bar. This is where the admins talk. Don't interact though use the account to see what they are up to.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 months ago (1 children)

A lot of those are one guy posting a lot of trollish comments on one post. And there are a bunch of entries because, if you read them, the mod removed, accidentally restored, then removed them again. It doesn't really seem like a big deal to me.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago

Valid. I'll admit I didn't really read what was being removed, just the times and reasons listed after being kind of dumbfounded by the unprecedented rapid increase in modlog entries.