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The Nordic model, often touted as a paragon of progressive social policies, has long been the envy of many nations. Finland, in particular, has been praised for its generous parental support programs, designed to encourage and facilitate family growth. Yet, despite these well-intentioned efforts, the country has witnessed a startling decline in its birthrate, plummeting by nearly a third since 2010.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Finland could always either allow for immigration or readjust for a lower population and degrowth.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago

They could, but they won't.

Finland has a history of fascism.

Many countries worried about declining populations could just.. allow more immigrants. But most of them won't, at least not voluntarily.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

This is homelessromantic yet again shilling their shitty Medium blog.

Chris Jeffries, please fuck off

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago

why is there some source of information you deem worthy you petty little cry baby, this exactly why every leftist movement fails. ban me, you weak ineffectual turds

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago

Total volcel police victory volcel-kamala

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago

Whaddya know... it takes more than money to get people interested n baby making.

Who knew?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

I don't think a decline in birth rate is inherantly bad. It could be because of a sudden decline in living standards (Post Soviet countries) or improvement in living standards (in many developing countries).

Voluntary extinction isn't happening. Too many people like having children for that to work. I think letting birth rate decline is fine.

That said, reducing working hours to 6hrs a day will give people more time to allow for children.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It's not bad but it's not good either. It will mean the future generation(or the next two) will have hard time supporting aging population for those country with social welfare, and supporting free healthcare. Less working young adult = less tax.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I don't care about taxes. Welfare and Healthcare can always be provided for prioritizing the sectors which need it the most. Right now we have many wasteful sectors like advertising and military taking up unnecessary labour and resources.

I always found it to be fascinating how capitalist economies function. Eg. Before 1991 Soviet Union had large industrial towns in the far east. Resources such was oil and ore were mined there. It was working fine until market arrived. Then magically, all those mines which were producing real resources were considered "unprofitable" and all those towns collapsed.

The possible output didn't change, just that under market system it was unprofitable. In money terms it wasn't worth it. Maybe we should stop looking at whether something costs a "lot" in money terms and instead look at whether workers and resources are available.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (5 children)

the data tells a different story

The data tell a different story.

That's my ration of pedantry spent. You'd swear these people never went to school.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

The issue with pedantry is you have to make sure you're right - data here is the collective noun for a group of individual data, so is used correctly.

Plus "plummeted by a 33%" was literally right there

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago

You’re technically correct but it’s one of those “technically correct”s that I would say is so far from people’s actual usage and the way other words work that it’s actually wrong and makes you sound stupid.

You wouldn’t say “The student body are…” or “the rat colony are…” They’re single bodies made up of smaller parts, so they get referred to as singular.

My PI always says “the data are” and it grates on me like nails on a chalkboard. It doesn’t make you sound smarter and more serious, it makes you sound like an out of touch, Reddit brained dipshit.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

The phrase is “The data tells a different story”

Data itself is a singular as it’s a defined entity. It is the sun of its parts.

If it said “data points”, then you would be right.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

Data itself is a singular

It's clearly plural, in form and meaning. That's my point. If it were singular it'd be 'datum'. It has a second-declension plural ending.

data points

This also bothers me. Why say 'data point' instead of 'datum'? Illiterate bloody philistines.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago

https://www.thesaurus.com/e/grammar/data-is-or-data-are/

Seems like "data tells" is fine according to this.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

It's clearly plural, in form and meaning. That's my point. If it were singular it'd be 'datum'. It has a second-declension plural ending.

They're referring to data as a single unified whole.

Family is singular despite being made of multiple members. Data is singular despite being composed of multiple data points.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago

They’re referring to data as a single unified whole.

That makes as much sense as "Countries says the story is different. I'm referring to countries as a single unified whole"

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I think "data" can be both singular or plural, so both can work. I could be wrong though.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (2 children)

"What do the data say?"

"What does the data say?"

I always treat it like the latter since it's a singular body of datum points. A book isn't a plural collection of pages.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago

“What does the data say?”

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Oh yep, not sure what I was thinking there.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It's a British thing, like how they say aluminum with an extra i

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

...You mean the correct way to say "aluminium." Whose this aloominum fellow? I don't know him.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Don't tell me you also say "mischievEEous" and "drorring" or that you "go to hospital"

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago

Nope. Australian. We just spell words correctly, then mispronounce everything in speech.