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Had to buy a certain product to use a certain substance and there's a really stupid new law. (lemmy.world)

submitted 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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What is this? Some sort of 'protect the children because they're totally not using apples and soda cans' bullshit?

Why is this in any way necessary or even useful?

Edit: Just discovered this was about tobacco, making this even stupider since this product isn't for tobacco, it's for cannabis. https://dclcorp.com/blog/news/pact-act-impacts-vape-industry/

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

I could see it in the specific case of a cheap (steam) vape pen purchased without debit/bank card off of a general store site. They check the mail and pocket it, get vape juice from somebody. Charge+fill and it's ready in a pocket or backpack etc. Similar for concentrates, portable dry vaporizers (or something like dynavap) maybe a bit less.

A $100+ desktop dry vaporizer purchased from a dedicated website seems like it'd be harder to hide unless parents are really inattentive. Miss the credit/debit record, miss the delivery at the door, then them carrying it in (+branded boxes), a dedicated spot in their room where it's plugged in, and an almost ritual to properly heat up the glass/material that might give it away (glass clinking, balloon bag filling, fan on/off etc).

[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 months ago (6 children)

Yep. It was a dry vaporizer. From Vapor Genie if anyone is curious. It is definitely not intended to be used for tobacco. I think it would just burn the tobacco rather than vaporizing it.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Porch pirates.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I don't think so. A law specifically stopping porch pirates from stealing vaporizers?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

I mean, if enough vaporizers have to be re-shipped because they were stolen before they're received, yes, of course. You're not going to expect to pay a second time for something you never received. The insurance company (I assume this is medical use?) or the supplier doesn't want to pay a second time. Of course they're going to make you sign. It's not a law to stop porch pirates, it's a law to reduce costs.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It’s so they aren’t shipping to minors….

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[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 months ago (3 children)

It's not a medical vaporizer but yes, it is for medical use. The 'certain substance' is definitely the issue here considering the stupid drug war.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

It’s a product for over 18/21 would you be mad for signing for alcohol?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It's not weed itself. It's also never been a regulation before this year.

Would I be mad signing for alcohol? No.

Would I be mad signing for a cocktail shaker? Yes.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

If alcohol needed an implement to consume I would have no doubt it would be controlled as well.

Headshops aren’t suppose to sell to minors, since they were skirting the law, now new laws have come out to handle it.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Except it turns out that this law is about tobacco and not weed at all- https://dclcorp.com/blog/news/pact-act-impacts-vape-industry/

So making me sign for this cannabis vaporizer will definitely have a big impact on the tobacco industry.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Weed and tobacco have the same restrictions for selling to minors, no? This can be used for both as well yeah?

[–] [email protected] -4 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Did you even read the article? The law is called PACT, which stands for "Prevent All Cigarette Trafficking." It has absolutely nothing to do with cannabis.

Incidentally, you can also use vaporizers for CBD products, and there are no legal age requirements for CBD in many states.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Do you not comprehend this can be used for stuff illegally for minors, so hence the need to sign to prove not a minor…?

Tobacco/THC doesn’t matter, it can be used. Great you can use it for potpourri or cbd, doesn’t mean it’s not an implement to consume other products illegally if you’re underage.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

So can cocktail shakers. So is there a need to sign for a cocktail shaker?

And, again, read the article. This is about tobacco. It's very clear.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

A cocktail shaker isn’t required to consume alcohol, while cannabis or tobacco need implements….

I’ve read the article, can you not understand that both are illegal for minors to consume, so going to head shop instead of a Tabacco shop isn’t suddenly going to make it legal to sell to minors dude…..

Since it’s illegal for Tobacco that extends to other illegal stuff as well, not a hard concept to wrap around dude.

A vape is a tobacco product, it’s also a cannabis product, who thunk…….

[–] [email protected] -5 points 6 months ago (22 children)

How about this? You provide evidence to support the idea that this law was in any way intended to restrict minors from using cannabis. I'll wait.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Weed. We all smoke weed.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I was fine saying weed in the body, I just thought it was best avoided in the headline.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago

It’s customary to call it “sticky icky” in titles. May it ever be thus.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Ok, buddy. There's not any indication that's even a law and not just policy from the company selling the device.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

"Recent regulations" means law. Companies don't call their own policies regulations, they call them policies.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

That doesn't mean the law says signatures are required. It could only be how the company chose to respond to the law. Got a citation?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Sure. I just added it in an edit.

https://dclcorp.com/blog/news/pact-act-impacts-vape-industry/

I really don't know why you think they would say that recent regulations require a signature if it wasn't true that recent regulations required a signature. Just lying for the hell of it?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Take off your tinfoil hat. Maybe set down the vape. Lying? I was responding to incomplete information. Not everything's a conspiracy. This is an old law now being applied to new technology. Nothing infuriating about it.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I have a tinfoil hat because you were the one claiming that a site saying that there were new regulations requiring something was a lie?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

Dude, you're going off the rails...

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