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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

To the people defending this proposed law - hypothetically, if I were to set up a white board outside a mosque and draw the prophet, would you also be in favor of the police arresting me for ... drawing?

If so, why?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What are your intentions behind doing this in your hypothetical scenario?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

To find out where people are willing to draw the line. I've noticed that the people defending this proposed law are giving this question a wide berth.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm asking what your intentions are behind drawing on a whiteboard outside a mosque in the scenario not what your intentions were behind posing this hypothetical scenario. That part is obvious.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The intention isn’t relevant.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sure it is. Intent is what separates murder from manslaughter for instance. Intent definitely matters here. Why are you having trouble elaborating on that aspect of your hypothetical scenario.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Fine, two scenarios: first, I’m doing it because I’m Islamophobic. Second, I’m doing it to test the limits of free speech. Can you tell the difference? No. That’s why it’s not relevant.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You don't see the difference between these two scenarios? It may benefit you to learn about nuance.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It may benefit you to pay attention to what I'm saying. Could you tell the difference?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What you're saying here doesn't make any sense. What you said previously made sense but lacked nuance or any deeper understanding of the situation you proposed yourself.

Perhaps you think blatant, ignorant bigotry and "testing freedom of speech" are the same thing, which explains your response, and shows you the reasoning behind mine.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oh boy. No, I don't think they are the "same thing" I'm saying you can't infer motivation just by observing therefore the motivation isn't relevant. Try and keep up, or don't.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You're discussing the law and being arrested. Intent absolutely matters in this context which is why I brought up other examples of where intent matters as murder/manslaughter, hate crimes, assault versus self defense, etc. You seem quite confused about a topic that you brought up on your own...

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

You're not thinking clearly. Intent is irrelevant, it can't be known in this example. Got it?

Just in case, here it is again. Intent is irrelevant.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Does this apply to all works of fiction, or only those believed by extremist groups?

I can understand not being allowed to burn historically significant documents and books, but mass-produced books are just cheap fire tinder.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If a book is important to one or more ethnic groups, burning it is a hate crime, period. Being mass produced has nothing to go with it.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

Islam is an ethnic group?