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[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 months ago (22 children)

Note how the "aid port" never actually materialised but the invasion of Rafah did

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 months ago

This is so surreal, I thought it was a screenshot from District 9.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

"More than 1 million Palestinians are now sheltering in Rafah. The IDF wants them to move out so that it can conduct an offensive against Hamas units in the city."

To where ?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

The IOF has built a camp for the concentration of civilians North of Rafah. I wonder if there's a name for such an unprecedented structure.

https://thecradle.co/articles/thousands-of-tents-set-up-in-central-gaza-as-israel-prepares-to-enter-rafah

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 6 months ago (1 children)

They keep doing this. They herd them somewhere, start shooting and bombing, then herd the survivors somewhere else, telling them that's the safe place.

And, of course, they can always justify it by claiming that there were Hamas militants hiding in the crowds. Which... sounds like it makes them not an especially urgent target?

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 months ago

The afterlife

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Is the UN official saying that the pier is enabling the Israeli invasion of Rafah, as though it wouldn't happen otherwise? Or is he saying that but for the pier, Israel will open more land crossing to aid?

And what is the corrective action? Should the pier be built somewhere else, or not at all? Are their any factors about where to locate the pier besides political? Like the depth of the water or existing infrastructure?

And if the problem with the aid is that it's a meaningless PR gesture, then does PR medicine not heal? Dose PR food not nourish?

Please help me understand why delivering food and medicine to Gaza is bad.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 months ago (3 children)

The UN officials aren't saying any of those things. Here's a tldr of the issue

  • The platform is meant to be in Northern Gaza where the worst of the starvation is

  • Israel wants it to be moved south to an Israeli choke point

  • Israel is about to close the crossings in South Gaza so it can attack Rafah

  • If the tiny amount of aid that can come in is able to be diverted to South Gaza then Israel may face less international condemnation over this phase of the Gaza genocide.

Please help me understand why delivering food and medicine to Gaza is bad.

If there is a starving child and you can choose to deliver them the nutrients they need but instead you choose to give them half a peanut instead, in a really theatrical way, that's obviously bad right?

That's what's happening here.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

Is this post about delivering aid being bad or does the title and article clearly state that this is a distraction tactic? Please help me understand your thought process of questioning things the article clearly answers.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

How do you get the materials in to build a pier? That should answer your questions if they are in good faith.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The US military is building the floating pier with materials they get from the US taxpayer. If you're trying to argue it's a waste of tax dollars, its not.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

I'm talking about the logistics of physically bringing in the building materials

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

They already have methods and resources to build temporary piers, as logistics is a crucial part of war fighting.

A ship with the resources and egineers needed to build a temporary was basically already waiting to go when this decision was made.

So the logistics is already a solved problem.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (4 children)

A crucial part of warfighting? They are building a port purportedly to feed the people that their closest ally is deliberately starving by denying aid that Israelis have engineered to be necessary for their subsistence.

Do you think the ships will not be docking in Israel and that nothing will be transported by land through crossings? The same crossing that Israel uses to move their armed forces, weaponry and supplies through on a daily basis. Somehow those crossings will be completely off limits for the same US military that helps Israel coordinate a lot of their military operations and logistics.

I don't understand how you can fail to see the absurdity of this situation. It's been 7 weeks since they announced their plans and so far no construction has begun and a ship has had to return to the US due to a fire. Even if they do get something built, there will still be the need to operate and deliver the aid from the pier to the interior of the enclave with.... trucks.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Do you think the ships will not be docking in Israel and that nothing will be transported by land through crossings?

Yes? The Plan is to build the dock on the Gaza strip, specifically to get around the problem of Israel having the crossings closed? And no US military personel are being allowed on land so they cant just dock in Israel and drive across because Israel wont let them. Its not a difficult concept.

I don’t understand how you can fail to see the absurdity of this situation.

Who says I dont? Just because I dont hold the exact same position as you, doesnt mean i hold a completely opposite view. If Israel refuses to let aid in, then the only options for the US are airdrops, build a pier or basically invade Israel.

Even if they do get something built, there will still be the need to operate and deliver the aid from the pier to the interior of the enclave with… trucks.

Yes? The problem is not the trucks themselves its getting them past the crossings. Assuming they have not all been bombed out Gaza will already have many trucks in it. and Gaza is 5km across and 40km long. distribution within gaza isnt the problem.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

The US military has a massive global logistics operation and spends their time training for doing things like this. Of any organization on earth they probably have the greatest capacity for building a floating pier and ensuring aid flows through it. Why are you so hung up on the logistics of building material deliveries?

[–] [email protected] 42 points 6 months ago

The aid trucks need to be allowed into Gaza. Israel needs to be stopped by international pressure. This is genocide.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

Biden does not care at all for the people of Gaza, that’s very clear with the money/ weapons he sends to Israel.

EDIT: you can keep downvoting since it doesn’t mean much on Lemmy. However, it is true. If he actually cared about the lives of the Palestinian people, he wouldn’t send so much to Israel due to the very fact, he knows that it will be used for the genocide on Palestinian people.

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