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According to the Tesla owner’s manual, “Vehicle functions, including some safety systems and opening or closing the doors or windows, may be limited or disabled when installation is in progress and you could damage the vehicle.” Janel chose to heed Tesla’s warning and did not attempt to open her doors or windows during the installation process for fear of damaging her vehicle, but this seems like a very dangerous oversight on Tesla’s part that she was able to be stuck inside at all.

The door mechanisms on the Tesla Model 3 and Model Y are electrically operated, and under normal circumstances are opened from the inside using a simple button to unlatch the door. Should the vehicle have no power, these models do have auxiliary manual cable release levers also found on the door panel, but Tesla warns against using the manual mechanism, citing that it should only be used when the car has no power. Janel said she was aware of this option but didn’t want to risk damaging her car, and she felt confident that she could stick out the heat.

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The Tesla owners manual states that the car will not initiate a software update if Keep Climate mode, Dog Mode, Sentry Mode or Camp Mode are engaged, but it fails to require vehicle occupants to exit the vehicle before the debilitating installation process begins. Tesla also recommends owners install software updates as soon as possible, which could cause some owners to feel obligated to initiate an update in a compromised environment.

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Janel said her car estimated the install would only take 24 minutes, but it actually took 40 minutes, which was long enough for her car’s interior to reach 115 degrees. In a follow-up video, her caption states that she was afraid to mess up her car by getting out during the installation.

So maybe she was not doing the smartest thing by choosing not to damage her car even when it was getting dangerously hot, but considering how expensive Teslas are and how easy it is to violate their EULA, I can't really fault her as much as I fault Tesla.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

Sounds like a useful update.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Remember not to leave your idiot inside an unattended car on a hot day.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

"Before you go jumping to conclusions about her ineptitude, Brianna Janel was actually following the rules laid out by Tesla."

From the article. And from her own video she confirmed she was never in any threat for her health or her life. She just followed the VERY dumb instructions given her for fear it would damage her car... The only idiots here are the engineer at Tesla, that gives instructions that makes no practical sense (the manual opening of the door could damage the car... Seriously? How could you make a door that could be damaged of opened manually, especially if you do not expect the automatic mode of operation to be fully functional 100% of the time?)

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

especially if you do not expect the automatic mode of operation to be fully functional 100% of the time?

It's Tesla. What makes you think they expect their software to work anything less than 100% of the time without any bugs?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It looks bad if they can't isolate the doors from the main system. A door should never unexpectedly not be a door.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

Except when it's a jar.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

It's important to mention these flaws with Tesla specifically, because Elon Musk doesn't have the right politics.

PS The name of this community is terribly ironic.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Elon Musk's opinions on things like quality control and regulation might be why Tesla cars are so uniquely shit.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

I think the issue is more related to his takeover of Twitter and the massive purge of leftist ideologues from one of the world's largest social media company. I'm almost certain this has nothing to do with cars.

This is a massive loss of power and influence for these sorts of people. Now they are showing how much they are seething by playing all these games, like talking shit about Tesla lol.

FYI, I don't even like Tesla. I think it's a cyberpunk dystopia on wheels. I would never buy one nor recommend it to anybody. This is not about cars.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

This article is about Tesla. Twitter isn't involved in any way. Also, people - specifically people on Twitter - seem to vastly overestimate that platform's impact.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

Musk was hated by a lot of people long before his takeover of Twitter, and by many before he even started going all political. The EnoughMuskSpam subreddit has existed for 8 years.

The man shills solutions that don't work (Hyperloop) to oppose public transit projects so the US would stay car dependent, lets his company operate with near zero quality control (literally, interior panels often just... fall off on Teslas a couple of days or weeks after delivery?) and so on. This was all long before 2020, which is the year he turned into a right-wing nutter because... checks notes ... the lockdowns were affecting Tesla's revenue and he wanted to be able to force his employees to continue working in unsafe conditions.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You're the one who brought him up.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

The name of the community, the constant Tesla (Elon) bad postings on the front page, it's getting ridiculous.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I feel like I'm the only one of my generation that hates adding tech to shit that doesn't need it. It's ridiculous and ass backwards

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Not that it negates your statement, but my mother was always opposed to "bells and whistles." She claimed that the more features there were, the more there was to break. We never had a car with windows that weren't manually operated and our appliances were always the most basic. She didn't live to see modern smart homes, but she would have been thoroughly opposed to the concept.

I share some of her opinion, but I think more balanced (and I don't think her position would have been sustainable in today's quote anyway).

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

She almost certainly had seen her own Smart Home ads.

example 2 example 3.

Every decade or so, some company that wants to "vendor lock in" your whole home comes along with a new suite of appliances. Expect to see all those refrigerators with smart screens to be blank in ten years. At least some of those have raspberry pis that could be reformatted or harvested.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I certainly think that cars should not need regular OTA updates.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Yeah it's honestly ridiculous. I can kinda understand it for fully electric vehicles to maybe tweak how the motors work but it's all the other useless shit that's usually being updated

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I just love going to a dealer for a navigation map update. OTA updates are amazing.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

I don't mean to sound critical here but why bother updating a car navigational system when phones do a really good job and you can switch between multiple apps to see which one has the best route?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

I’ve only had mine a few months but that doesn’t seem like anything I experienced. When there’s an update, it prompts me to schedule it, defaulting to 1am. I usually ignore the dialog until it goes away, and it updates overnight

I put this entirely on the tik tokker, although if Elon Musk really put a tik tokker sensor in the car, I’m going back to worshipping him

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I have a Tesla and this is largely her own fault. These updates by default are scheduled to run at night. I think midnight is default but I've moved mine to 3 am. Even when the update is downloaded it won't start it unless you press a button to do so, and that button is under a huge warning saying basically "your car will be totally useless for 20 minutes, please don't be inside of it" then when you start the update you have 2 minutes to just open the door, I don't even think you have to close it. There are also manual door handles inside the car. Tesla says that they might damage the locks, but that's still better than heatstroke. So she either manually started the update, ignored every warning and locked herself in her car, or she changed when her car updates automatically to the middle of the day which is likely when she uses it most

I understand that you should still be able to operate the doors even during software updates, and that it's a design flaw that all of these systems are so tightly intertwined that general updates make the car unusable, but it's not like the car doesn't give you a bunch of warnings

Also gizmodo argues that the car should require you to not be in it while it updates, however when we see the headline that someone got locked out of their Tesla during a blizzard and froze to death, then people will ask why they aren't allowed to be in the car. You own a 2 ton death machine, there should be a minimum amount responsiblity we expect you to have to operate it safely for yourself and everyone around you

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

There's a reason she does tiktoks.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I think you missed the part where the update took twice as long as it said it would. She stayed in the car based on how long it said it would take. That is not her fault.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

They always say 25 minutes but I don't start one if I'm planning on driving within an hour.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Ok, why did she want to lock herself in a car on a hot day for 20 minutes? Why did she lock herself in a car at all? I don't really care how long it took, it's a dumb idea if it works like it says and it's dumber if it doesn't

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I'm guessing because she didn't think it was hot enough that it would be bad for 20 minutes but didn't know that it would last 40 minutes. I don't think it's her fault that she believed what she was told about the update.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

she didn't think

Thus my point

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Well if your point is that people don't plan for scenarios they have no reason to plan for, that is correct.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Chart showing temperatures of cars on hot days

Looking at this chart, if everything went according to her "plan" her car would have been over 100 at 20 minutes and could even hit the 118 the headline claims in that time frame. Also it doesn't say "this update will take 18 minutes and 36 seconds to complete" it says "this update will take approximately 20 minutes to complete". Approximately 20 minutes can very reasonably be 30 minutes and that could even get her car above 120. I feel like I shouldn't need to use a chart to tell grown adults "locking yourself in a car in the sun for a non-specific amount of time" is a bad idea

Chart sourced from the National Weather Service courtesy of CBS

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

In what way is 40 minutes "approximately 20 minutes?"

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

First of all, this dipshit didn't pay attention, got themselves stuck in a hot car like a beagle, and rather than look for a solution went on tiktok to bitch. You're giving a lot of credit to someone who seems incapable of planning more than 2 minutes into the future

Secondly, will you please read anything I write if you're going to argue with me?

Approximately 20 minutes can very reasonably be 30 minutes and that could even get her car above 120

Even if you truly believe she read the warning and decided to stay in the car regardless, it's still a stupid fucking idea. That's a dangerous amount of time to be in a hot car as the graph indicates

Finally, I don't know why you're harping on 40 minutes so hard. I don't care how long it is. As I said previously:

I feel like I shouldn't need to use a chart to tell grown adults "locking yourself in a car in the sun for a non-specific amount of time" is a bad idea

You're ultimately arguing that she made the reasonable decision to put herself in a vehicle that told her it would be inoperable, including the doors, while in midday heat, for an unspecified period of time

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

When the "non-specific amount of time" is "approximately 20 minutes" and I think I can stand approximately 20 minutes in my car before it gets too hot, then why should I plan to be there for much longer instead?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I literally posted a chart from our government proving that "approximately 20 minutes" is still dangerous. So it's still a stupid idea

Anyway, this is my last response. You're not reading or responding to what I say, so I can go chat with a wall for all this is accomplishing

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

That silly woman! Didn't she look at your chart?!

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