cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/14119731
Here are two sources I found:
Why would Mary care what the Pope has to say? She's Jewish.
this post was submitted on 10 Apr 2024
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To think that an entire Abrahamic religion was born from a woman's need to convince her husband that she hadn't slept with another man hence she came up with the whole "God did it" and raised her son to believe it.
God committed rape and adultery.
Yah, ...like she had a choice.
pregancies
The comic correctly infers that religion is only as valid as the person chooses, thereby confirming its manmade origin
that's funny, we all call the Pope a grave violation of human dignity...
So people around here are OK with human trafficking? Because surrogacy is basically that, with extra steps.
Show your work.
What would those extra steps be?
How does using someone else's womb with consent to carry your baby to term even remotely come close to human trafficking?
Consent to get a ridiculously low amount of money to go through a very harmful process? Great. As much consent as women giving blowjobs behind dumpsters to get their meth fix. Totally not exploiting the poor and vulnerable. Totally not treating women (and the baby) as cattle, or wares.
You're right. It totally isn't those things.
Just for the record, there are a surprising number of rich people who are paying other people to have children for them. It's not for medical reasons, but for cosmetics and convenience. It actually is pretty weird imo.
That sounds like something tabloids would say but has little relationship to the truth. If you got hard numbers I will look at them and you can prove me wrong.
I'm not trying to sensationalize -- if the pope meant to shame gay couples or couples with health concerns, then that's ridiculous. But people do use surrogates for other reasons, too. Just Google search celebrities and surrogacy. I know some of the Kardashians have said they used surrogates, and I'm sure there are others.
The heterosexual couple I know are not celebrities, but they are obscenely wealthy. They now have two children who were born like 8 months apart, haha, both borne by surrogates. There were no health issues for the woman in the couple -- just convenience and the desire to avoid the normal health issues that pregnancy causes.
Anecdotal. Watch as I dismiss it.
Doesn't make it untrue, but I hear you. It seems nuts.
i mean you don't use their genes...
Yes, I know how surrogacy works...
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