I think ubi has merit as a short term stop-gap measure, when a replacement system is ready to be introduced. My expectation is it will drive inflation up just by there being more poor-people money to sweat into the corporate/landlord e: toilet paper is more appropriate.
this post was submitted on 09 Apr 2024
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If this helps with all of that, how do they prevent companies from pricing it in?
companies don't need to price it in because the consumers will just increase spending habits.
small studies like this don't work because people are heavily incentivized to save or pay down debt, knowing it's a study that can evaporate at any minute changes behaviors.
What we actually need is universal housing, I bet that's where most if not all of this money is going, right into the landlords pockets. The rich get richer.
- You can't go lower than minimum wage. Those making minimum wage would benefit the most.
- Companies still have to keep competitive salaries to maintain a workforce. If they lower their salaries they risk losing employees who can choose to go somewhere that doesn't lower salaries.
- It won't cost employers anything to keep the same salary. This money would presumably be coming from reallocations of taxes that are currently being collected. For the employer it's like getting a free raise for their employees.
I knew there were circumstances where someone could be paid less than minimum wage but damn…we have a purpose made rule for people with disabilities? It makes me question the places I know have a tendency to hire people with mental disabilities. Did they do it to be kind? Or did they do it to have cheaper labor to go collect shopping carts?
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They already raise prices without rising wages, because prices are not tied to income.
He means reduce wages by $500/month to account for the existence of the program
It's a valid question I think; I kind of suspect that it doesn't work that way (that the outcome would be more similar to "wah nobody wants to work for $12/hr anymore" and no workers), but I don't know enough to say for sure.
Businesses don't change wages based on tax credits and they don't give raises based on people's needs. Did any business cut wages when everyone got any previous rax rebates like the one for covid?
This is such a stupid worry that is just rich people propaganda meant to make people thing that UBI won't be a positive thing so people don't push for it. Just like they don't want single payer healthcare because then they couldn't use insurance as a way to discourage people from switching to better jobs.
Not sure why you're comparing to the covid tax rebate. That was a one time thing and not something permanent
I explained it as an example of companies not doing things to cancel out an increase in income across the board already. There is also the overall trend that increased income for large portions of the population means people buying more optional things, not the companies with essentials raising prices to match that increase.
This is like you demanding someone prove that Bigfoot doesn't exist. All I can give are examples where increased income being directly tied to prices/employee pay could have been proven to be a direct link, but wasn't. None of them are perfect because we don't have UBI yet.
I'm not asking anything from you. I'm just saying you're comparing apples to oranges. If there are no apples to compare to, so be it.
Well, they do reduce wages based on anything and everything that they can get away with. If they're already getting away with paying people $10/hr or whatever, I think it's easily plausible that they would realize they can now get away with paying them minimum wage. I don't think it's instantly rich people propaganda or a silly concern. Like for example, Wal-Mart among other places definitely pays less because they've factored in that people can go on government assistance and stay just barely above water even receiving drowning wages.
Like I say, I don't think it'll work out this way in practice (in fact I would expect that it would raise wages because it would reduce people's desperation and give them options beyond just taking whatever they could find for as many hours as they can stay awake) and it seems on the limited test like it doesn't. But it doesn't strike me as automatically a weird question or anything.