Half of America Makes Less Than 35k : aboringdystopia

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

Because there's not enough unions

[–] [email protected] -5 points 5 months ago

Have you tried voting

[+] [email protected] -16 points 5 months ago (1 children)

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago

Illegal immigrants deserve more then 35k. Those people are getting away from the worst places imaginable with nothing to their names

[+] [email protected] -13 points 5 months ago (1 children)

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

This guy is shitty, but I don't disagree with the lazy comment. Alot of problems can be solved by not being lazy.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago (1 children)

My first job out of college paid $28k/year. Of course that was in the mid 80s. Almost 40 years later, half the country is making less than $7k more than that.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

My first teaching job out of college paid $32K/yr and that was in one of the best states for teacher salaries in the country, and this was in 2015

[–] [email protected] 20 points 5 months ago

Ugh, I'm sick and tired of these whiny employees not thinking about the real hardworking heroes of America. Shareholders.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

But we already know the answer to that question.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Ronald Reagan?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

In a more perfect world, people would demand union representation, and flee from "right to work" (anti-union) states.

Unfortunately the billionaires have used millions to convince the thousandaires that the hundredaires are the real threat.

[+] [email protected] -35 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Is it not more suited for firstworldproblems? 35k a year is what most people in the world can't dream about. World median is less than 3.5k

[–] [email protected] 29 points 5 months ago (1 children)

While you're completely correct, the cost of living in America is also much higher than than the world median.

What we really should be looking at is the ratio of pay : cost of living but raw salary is just easier for the masses to see and be mad about.

As an example, 3.5k USD is about my monthly bills.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 5 months ago (2 children)

3.5k USD monthly is a lot. If I might ask where does this amount come from? I looked at rent prices a bit and they are not really much higher from where I live right now while the average salary is more than 4 times lower here.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Where I live in the US you're lucky to get away with 2-3k in rent for a decent place and then you still have to pay utilities, car insurance, gas, groceries, etc. A minimum monthly budget can easily reach 3500.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Well there's a solution from the poor world: don't rent, live with your parents until they die, don't own a car, don't pay for gas, buy only the cheapest groceries, the ones you people won't consider safe to eat. That is how most of the world lives. A lot of them live in even worse conditions than that.

Btw, if I may ask, where do you live? I looked at the rent prices for some USA cities, and the offers were better than where I live, while the average salary here is 4 times lower. It's also not really a poor country compared to like a lot of countries. It may just be the case of what people with different income consider "decent".

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

What if your parents are dead, or abused you, or rent and aren't allowed to add you to the lease?

Don't own a car? For millions that means no way to get to work, no way to get supplies, isolation.

Not everyone has a lot of choice in where they buy food, especially with no car.

It sounds like you don't understand how big the US is and how absolutely shit public transportation is. Where I live, I can get to town in 5 minutes by car. By Bus it would take 40 minutes. There is a 5:30pm bus that would get me home but if I missed it the next bus wouldn't come until 8pm.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

The southwest.

And owning a car is not optional here. Mass transit is a joke and many people travel 60 miles (96km) or more to work. Multi-Generation housing arrangements are on the rise. Not everyone has that option though and it shouldn't be a requirement in the world's richest economy. Fresh food of any kind in the US is more expensive than unhealthy processed foods in many areas, especially when you might have as little as 3-4 hours a day to clean, cook, eat, socialize, bathe, do errands, and decompress. I'm not unaware of how other people live, I've traveled and lived in those conditions myself, I just had the privilege to be able to come back to the US afterwards. What I think you're missing though is something called Purchasing Power Parity. Things are vastly more expensive in the US, so a lot of that money is getting vacuumed up by those prices. And some of the things you mentioned like hot water are comparatively cheap because it's been built into our infrastructure.

So would someone in a cardboard lean-to love to come live a working class life in the US? I'm sure they would but that doesn't invalidate things like our workers dying due from preventable and treatable health conditions because they can't afford medical care here.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I mean everyone added together, mortgage, car payment, various insurance premiums, utilities, groceries, etc

My mortgage is $1200 of that, though.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

So the bills are probably not that lower for the people with much lower income, and they also likely can't even afford mortgage, a car, insurance and first-world quality groceries.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Flaunt that privilege! Yeah people who make 3.5k a year don't have to pay 1-2k a month in rent. But you took that into account right?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Technically, our standard of living is much much lower. A lot of us don't have water heating, so we just shower (or dunk, if you use a pail, because some of us can't afford showers) with cold water, unless you want to spend precious time and fuel to boil it. I see Americans who glorify cold showers, saying that it develops you as a person. Heating and cooling is a no-brainer for Americans, but many of us are still hesitant to use air conditioning even at 30°C. In my country, we still have regular service (water and electricity) interruptions, even in the cities. Yes, rent can be lower outside of major cities, but development is centralised there, so you'd rather move to those cities anyway. I would hear of families having to seek treatment in a more developed city, because their city doesn't have resources.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I bet you complain about the American economy every 15 minutes.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

Why would you bet that? I just think that what you see as a dystopia is what most of the world can't even dream about. Does not mean that what you are experiencing is great, but from the outside of the "rich bubble" it does look as a funny complaint. Now that is the dystopia for you.

[+] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

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