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Hurling ordure at the TREACLES, especially those closely related to LessWrong.

AI-Industrial-Complex grift is fine as long as it sufficiently relates to the AI doom from the TREACLES. (Though TechTakes may be more suitable.)

This is sneer club, not debate club. Unless it's amusing debate.

[Especially don't debate the race scientists, if any sneak in - we ban and delete them as unsuitable for the server.]

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A while back, I set myself the project of figuring out how much of the MIT undergrad physics curriculum could be taught from free online books. The answer, so far, is more than I had anticipated but much less than what we deserve. But working on that, along with a few other conversations, has got me to wondering. We've seen TESCREAL types be just plain wrong about science many times over the years. Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality botches Punnett squares and pretty much everything more advanced than that. LessWrong demonstrably has no filter against old-school math crankery. The (ahem) leading light of "effective accelerationism" just plays Mad Libs with physics words. Yudkowsky's declarations about organic chemistry boggle the educated mind. They even manage to be weird about theoretical computer science — what we might call the "lambda calculus is super-Turing!" school of TESCREAL.

Sometimes, the difference between a TESCREAL understanding of science and a legitimate one comes from having studied the subject in a formal way. But not every aspiring autodidact with an interest in molecular biology or the theoretical limits of computation is a lost cause!

So, then: What books come down upon the superficial TESCREAL version of cool things like a ton of scientific bricks? What are the texts that one withdraws from an inside coat pocket and slides across the table, saying "This here is the good shit"?

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

The Golem and The Golem at large are two excellent little books about how science and technology actually works. History of science, so heavy on examples (as the historical subjects tend to be) and light on theory. Several examples of what today would be pseudo science but was treated seriously at its time, because they didn't know what we consider basic knowledge (and you can't get it from first principle...)

Good for anyone interested in science or technology, but perhaps particularly useful for the cultists (if they can be persuaded).

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (3 children)

That one Stross essay on space colonization.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (4 children)

The Mismeasure Of Man is the obvious threat, given Yudkowsky felt it necessary to post why good rationalists should not read Gould.

So what other books has the subculture declared unsuitable?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

The Mismeasure Of Man

I'm working through this one now, and it's great. Gould was such a great writer, it's no wonder Big Yud sees his work as a threat.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I did a dive on Yudkowsky's terrible writeup of it on I Don't Speak German, I should really write it up as a sneer

(I will never get around to this)

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

A related take from PZ Myers:

You can just do this really simple exercise: Go to any standard evolutionary biology textbook and ask, is Gould buried? Is he gone? Has he been discarded? Tossed into the dustbin of hist—no, he hasn't.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago
[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

now I know what I’m listening to during work

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