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[–] [email protected] 179 points 8 months ago (8 children)

A smart VPN will avoid going to jail for you by not storing any of the data law enforcement wants in the first place.

[–] [email protected] 105 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Yeah, Mullvad was searched and they shrugged and said "well, go ahead" and could then proudly publish that the Swedish authorities could take zero info from there: https://mullvad.net/en/blog/update-the-swedish-authorities-answered-our-protocol-request

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 8 months ago (12 children)

In this blog post we explain why competent service operators can avoid having to share sensitive information about you without facing severe legal consequences. The reasons laid out will also highlight why you are better off choosing a VPN service run by privacy activists who will prioritise principles before profits in difficult situations

is it me or does it read like someone used an LLM to write those sentences?

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (4 children)

Soooo how to split the packets up between 3 VPNs to make each providers piece useless?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago

check out Nym, they are doing this kind of network

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

That does not work unless you involve yet another party after the VPNs and before the destination to rebuild the packets, as the destination won't know what to do with these split packets.
At that point you may be better off using an anonymity network with or without the VPN.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I’ve tried IVPN a number of times but it never works for getting around mlb.tv blackouts which is my biggest use case. ExpressVPN has just been reliable for me in that regard.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

IVPN servers are all well-known and catalogued. ExpressVPN partly buys hacked machines to user as proxies for their paid tier user VPNs, so they are much less likely to be blocked. They have a lot more.. troubling history, that would make me never visit their download site.

https://www.zdnet.com/article/trust-but-verify-an-in-depth-analysis-of-expressvpns-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-week/

Kape Technologies has announced plans to acquire ExpressVPN for $986 million. I do have concerns about this because Kape was once considered a malware provider.

Reuters indicating that ExpressVPN CIO Daniel Gericke is among three men fined $1.6 million by the US Department of Justice for hacking and spying on US citizens on behalf of the government of the UAE (United Arab Emirates).

Kape Technologies has had quite a convoluted history. According to a report in Forbes, a company called Crossrider was formed in 2011 by "billionaire Teddy Sagi, a serial entrepreneur and ex-con who was jailed for insider trading in the 1990s. His biggest money maker to date is gambling software developer Playtech," and Koby Menachemi.

Menachemi was a developer for Unit 8200, an Israeli signals intelligence unit responsible for hacking and collecting data (think of it as part CIA, part NSA, and part high school, because the unit hires and trains teenagers in hacking and coding skills).

the newly renamed Kape Technologies set out on an acquisition binge. The company started buying in 2017, acquiring CyberGhost VPN for about $9 million. Next, in 2018, came Mac antivirus company Intego for $16 million. A few months later, Kape gobbled up another VPN provider, ZenMate, for about $5 million. A year later, in 2019, Kape spent $95 million for Private Internet Access, one of the best known VPN providers at the time.

There's more to the story as well, but you can be sure that all your data is ~~belong~~ either being proxied by a botnet, or being used to spy on you. 'I have nothing to hide!' you may say, but I'm sure you have an app or two that still uses insecure HTTP update checks, which can be intercepted to trigger a malware installation.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 8 months ago

And here I thought companies can't go to jail. Apparently that only applies to the companies who aren't run by the lizard people or the kids popular with the priests.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I personally think VPNs are mostly a waste of money

[–] [email protected] 22 points 8 months ago (1 children)

For "privacy" yes, almost entirely.

If your VPN isn't routing to your home network so you can safely access selfhosted applications then you're basically just sharing your traffic with a total stranger and trusting them not to run telemetry etc.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It depends who you trust more, your isp or your vpn provider. Isps are not known for doing right by their clients

[–] [email protected] 15 points 8 months ago (4 children)

Verifiably no logs without court order (I'm guessing canary pages have gone the way of the dodo now, probably boilerplate in the orders, maybe wrong according to the article, perhaps in some jurisdictions) would be awesome. Verified by external audit is about as good as we can get, so proton, tutanota, I think, others muchly appreciated. I think one of them setup their OS in volatile RAM, which is cool, but probably not legally protective.

No, I don't expect you to go to jail for me, but due diligence minimising knowledge will bump you up my list of providers to choose.

One problem here is those that do verify, usually don't allow torrenting ports, so, no ratios for you. Anyone know what the over/under is on lesser tier VPNs that port share vs a VPS (with all its potential, but which country?) vs Usenet? Looking to have a clue when the time comes, knowledge gratefully accepted :)

[–] [email protected] 19 points 8 months ago (4 children)

I love Mullvad and recommend them for everything other than torrenting. Once they disabled port forwarding I moved to AirVPN who seem to be pretty legit.

I'm not trying to keep my ratios up but I have a few torrents of media that are not available anywhere for sale and have less than 10 seeds, so I feel like I am helping keep the shows and movies of my childhood alive.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 months ago

Good person. Much like I would like to do. I'd be happy with a VPN for personal use and another one for torrenting (gluetun compatible preferably) Shall look at AirVPN, thanks.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 months ago (1 children)

They did have a server seized (physically) in 2015: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/6754830
Though apparently there were no logs.

Interestingly though, that forum post was now deleted from AirVPN site. Strange...

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago

Hmm, TIL, thanks.

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[–] [email protected] 95 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

Considering this is straight from a VPN provider, take this with a boulder-sized grain of salt.

And I say that as someone who believes using a VPN is generally more beneficial than not. And espouses most of that advice regarding the VPN.

Even if a VPN were totally benevolent and gave daily tours of its office, there's still no 100% guarantee their claims can be verified at all times. So there's always an element of trust. (I trust most of the ones outside of the Eyes countries more than my home ISP, though. )

[–] [email protected] 37 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I would put Mullvad and IVPN up there as the two VPNs I'd trust most to do things right, but I still agree with everything you've said.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago (5 children)
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