I doubt these engineers have been moved to this project unless there’s some technology overlap. Apple Vision is still in development and there’s a reduced complexity/reduced cost version to be worked on.
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I wonder what they're actually developing since we all know they're going to get the screen from Samsung.
The hinge and everything else involved in the folding process probably. Like every other foldable.
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I bet they artificially kneecap the slabphones to push people towards overpriced foldables once they are on store shelfs. Just like they did with the Plus and Pro phones.
Continuing the trend of not being innovative ever since Jobs' passing.
Apple Watch was not innovative? Apple Silicon was not innovative? Vision Pro was not innovative?
Look at you, all entitled to Apple’s innovation.
Pretty sure Apple Watch was already in progress when Steve was alive.
Apple just wait until something already exists and then make a more expensive version of it that's not innovation. I'm not saying that something like the vision pro isn't a good product but it's not groundbreaking in any way.
As demonstrated by the fact that Apple made it without any real idea of what it was actually for. It's a VR AR headset that no one wants. Actually no one wants a VR AR hybrid headset they want to be able to play games, the one thing that's terrible at because it doesn't have a controller.
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I wouldn't mind foldable phones having two separate screens with a minor gap between them - you'd avoid getting an ugly growing crease over time like with the current screens, and with a proper hinge design you could make them thinner too probably
Like the Microsoft Duo?
There are already a few folding things like that on the market but they're not as popular. People seem to put up with the crease more than they're prepared to put up with a gap. Mostly because with a crease you can still have a full tablet like experience.
But it's always nice to have options.
I was thinking about phones, having a "flip phone" without a crease which is "normal size" when opened would be cool. For tablet use the gap admittedly sucks
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Foldables are shit when your sweat is so aggressive it destroys the plastic
They're also shit if you throw up acid on them.
That feels very much like a "you" problem.
Apple will do what it always does, and launch any new product as and when it feels it has solved the problems raised by new product categories, and has something it believes is better than existing products.
Hahah. As long as you don't hold your phone wrong or put it in your jeans pocket.
Apple will do what it always does, and launch any new product as and when it feels it ~~has solved the problems raised by new product categories, and has something it believes is better than existing products.~~ can extract the maximum margins while offering the minimum necessary to be viewed as premium by their customer base.
There, fixed it.
That's why they abandoned the Apple car. Too many regulations and safety requirements for them to be able to make a reasonable profit.
Great, because phones aren't expensive or fragile enough.
I suppose it might actually be a more sturdy iPhone. The biggest problem iPhones have is that Apple insist on making the screen out of tempered glass, rather than something a bit more hard wearing. So when you sneeze on it, it cracks.
Folding displays have to be made out of plastic which is actually more durable if more prone to scratching. So you'd end up with a slightly more scratched phone but a less broken one. Plus the delicate plastic screen is always going to be folded up in on itself, so it's protected from scratches as well.
Of course Apple will probably make it without any bezels thus negating everything I just said. All for aesthetics.
The biggest problem iPhones have is that Apple insist on making the screen out of tempered glass, rather than something a bit more hard wearing.
Like what? Plastic?
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Nah fuck that.
Please no.
I’ve no interest in a phone that folds. It’s just going to be thicker, and more fragile. Give me an external swappble battery and hardware cutoff switches for wireless and camera. A microSD slot. And ffs, the ability to have both my owned music files and Apple Music files on my phone at the same time (seriously, wtf, not everything is on Apple Music—is there a way?!)
Then you're not looking for an iPhone. They don't care about you, they are after the common denominator.
Agreed. Being able to fold the device is popular because of the novelty but I argue they're overall objectively worse devices than non-folding one with the same price and form factor would be. I'll much rather have a flat slab in my pocket than a compact cube. There's not a chance a folding device will withstand daily use for 6+ years.
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Also you're clearly not apple's target market so you being frustrated by their choices is negligible to them.
I haven't tried for a while but I'm pretty sure you can store your own music files on all Apple devices and listen to them via Apple Music.
If the foldable screen could be more robust, and the fold could be truly invisible when unfolded, I could see it being useful for some people as a phone-tablet hybrid.
Unfortunately features like hardware kill switches will probably always be too niche for a mainstream flagship.
I agree, I think someone that's into minimalism and sees the appeal of an iPad or an iPhone, would be happier to choose this, especially if it shares features like apple pencil support. If there isn't apple pencil support then I'll be upset.
I have a friend with a foldable phone and it works wrt screen. The thing I can’t get over is the thickness because it seems too thick for a back pocket.
I personally believe it's not supposed to be pocketed but to be backpacked. They're trying to encourage less phone usage, you should use your watch for immediate notifications and only get your phone out to use it for taking a picture, drawing something with the apple pencil or another task that requires a phone. Most everything else should be done by the watch though.
Here’s the problem with the watch alone - folks like me who can’t see well up close (even with the larger font settings on the phone and the ‘zoom’ accessibility feature is…confusing?) and need glasses but either don’t have them or can’t find them in the time it takes for the notification to disappear. By that point, I may as well just use the phone.
When my glasses are handy, I do agree that the watch is a good use for this. Additionally however, my phone case is also my physical wallet with ID and a couple of credit cards. I understand that with Apple Wallet, these physical items are increasingly being able to be replaced by using the watch interface, but not always.
I get those are just a couple of examples using small anecdotes, but just my .02. If Apple could figure out a better way to make the Watch easier to see for people like me without requiring glasses, that would be ideal. Or if I could figure out why I can’t seem to use the Accessibility feature correctly, if that is the problem as well. I’ll work with it some more.
Surely the best option is voiceover for key notifications on the watch?
Situation-dependent but sometimes, yes.
I think the biggest issue with that direction of technology is that pretty much every Android smart watch sucks. There isn't anything in the Android ecosystem that's comparable to the apple watch.
So? What does that have to do with Apple pushing this philosophy? It's not their fault there isn't an equivalent in the Android world.
Eh? I never said there was. I merely pointing out that it's not a direction that the phone market in general is moving.
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I don't understand why there's a lot of hate here for a product people don't have to buy lol. I think foldable phones are neat.
Foldable displays are still relatively new technology and they have their downsides. People these days are very unforgiving of early tech. Everything has to be just be perfect from version 1 for people complain, but that's not possible. You can't perfect a product in isolation, you have to have earlier versions on the market to be able to find where the problems are.
I just don't listen to them.
If the Model One Ford came out these days they'd complain it was too slow.
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