[–] [email protected] 64 points 7 months ago (8 children)

Sounds like the proper answer is to legalize the drugs, nationalize the cartel's, and call the US drug policy out for the farce it is.

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[+] [email protected] -13 points 7 months ago (1 children)

He is a demagogue through and through, all his term has been a joke and he has been fluffed up by his minions telling him what a wonderful man he is. Barf!

[–] [email protected] 26 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Real State Department-poisoned take for someone who claims to not be in the US.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I have the feeling you were born and raised in the US and have never experienced life outside your own town/ city and just spew your opinion about places and situations you know absolutely nothing about. So let me enlighten your narrow anglo vision a bit:

Have you ever lived through something like what is described in the article? Have you ever experienced what a narcoestado entails? Have you ever been in a protest along searching mothers outside Palacio Nacional because ten thousand people disappeared in your country due to organized crime for this fool to keep having breakfast saying "they only want to destabilize my regime" and not even acknowledge your presence? Have you ever been blackmailed and had to pay organized crime to keep your business open for this president to say "abrazos, no balazos" ( hugs, not bullets)? Has anyone from your family been kidnapped for ransom money? If so, did you get help from governement agencies? With all of the above, how would you feel about your president saying the things in the article? I have experienced all of the above scenarios so kindly, stfu.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

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I've put my boots on the soil of five different countries in my lifetime. Been to half the states in the Continental United States, too; not sure how it takes travelling the literal world to know that sending Amerikan troops and guns into a sovereign nation is always a shit idea when it's the State Department doing it; but... Iunno. "Debating" you is gonna be just a performative waste of my time, so I consider everything you say cap from genesis.

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[+] [email protected] -12 points 7 months ago

Time for Bukele to conquer mexico and bring order there.

[+] [email protected] -12 points 7 months ago (4 children)

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

You can only win the war on cartels, if you kill the demand for (illegal) drugs first. Then they will go away on their own.

You are just fighting symptoms otherwise.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago (2 children)

The best solution would be the Vetinari solution - legalise the cartels, drop all cases against them, and leave them alone. In return, they must maintain law and order within their ranks, help the government catch unregulated gangsters, stop attacks on civilians, and pay tax.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I don't think partnering with the cartels is a good idea. They already do what they want why would they take orders from the government.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago (2 children)

The backing of the state is the biggest prize any criminal can get. Why do you think many pirates became privateers? And why do billionaires buy and bribe politicians? Now this is definitely not a good thing, but in the circumstances it might be the least bad option.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

Right now, you might be the only person on .works who doesn't sound like a slavering, blood-thirsty ghoul. Honestly and sincerely, keep that shit up.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

No one can "clear them out", even if the u.s. army came in and killed every last cartel member, the demand for drugs would still remain and a new cartel would pop up as soon as the u.s. leaves. It would basically be Afghanistan all over again, a bunch of people will die, trillions of dollars will be spent only to have it all go to waste as soon as we leave.

Violence can't solve the underlying social issues causing these groups to form.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 7 months ago (1 children)

USA can't even fix the drug trade domestically. Hint: we're complicit.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 7 months ago

In June 2023, he said of one drug gang that had abducted 14 police officers: “I’m going to tell on you to your fathers and grandfathers,” suggesting they should get a good spanking.

Didn't expect to read that in an AP article.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

How many bus full of Mexicans must get slaughtered before he will fight them on behalf of Mexicans?

[+] [email protected] 53 points 7 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (5 children)

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[–] [email protected] -4 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I'm aware. And I think that's a US cultural thing not neoliberal. Most of Europe wouldn't contribute to the weapon issue if they were next to Mexico.

But on the main topic, sure there is some crazy footage but he still is using a padded stick.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

All NATO weapons sent to Ukraine are 100% accounted for and would never end up in the hands of criminals (the fascist Ukrainian state excluded). Nope, nothing to see here. Just peaceful Europe.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 7 months ago (5 children)

Big yikes. Russia is a facist, terror state and no amount of finger pointing and projection will change that.

You have literally 0 evidence for that claim. And to send weapons to Europe then back to Mexico would be a lot of work.

Much more likely its regular old US military corruption or weapon manufacturer corruption along with smuggling on the border.

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[–] [email protected] -2 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Fighting them is gonna cause way more bus loads to die then just leaving them be. The cartels aren't evil psychopaths who kill for fun, they know violence is bad for business. The only downside to leaving them alone is they'll send more drugs to the u.s which isn't Mexico's problem.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

I don't believe that. Other Central and South American countries have had success meeting the cartels head on.

Sure some short term death spikes but the long term result is a drastic reduction in violent deaths.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

"Some of you are going to die... But that is a sacrifice, I am willing to make."

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[–] [email protected] -3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

You make it sound like I'm a dictator forcing people into a war.

I'm just being pragmatic. They have a large military tasked with protecting their citizens. Some of the Cartels are very much arguably terrorist organization. Indiscriminately murder and torture people in a very public way in order to scare others.

Fighting them would probably be painful at first but it would make the country a safer place in the end.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Not your call to make or even think about advocating for, ESPECIALLY not in the year 2024, gringo; continually talking like it is just outs you as a yankee chauvinist. Put your money where your mouth is and fight 'em yourself; at least even the fascist redditors that went to bat for Ukraine actually flew out rather than sitting back from a well-conditioned suburb like a FIVE-EYES armchair general.

Well, some of 'em at least. Packwatch.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

Ok you got a serious cass of brain rot. I guess this is what I get for replying to a .ml tanky. Calls me a Gringo to just dismiss everything I said. Real insightful.

No shit it's not my call to make, I'm not a Mexican politician. However this is a English forum discussing the topic. Just because I'm an American doesn't mean I shouldn't be able to talk about a topic. In fact Cartels and America is pretty intertwined. As is Mexico and America. I also have family in Mexico. And so do a very, very large percentage of Americans.

Not really sure why you are so adamant on defending the Cartels. Unless your anti American fog is so bad that you can't see past the fact I'm American.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Just because I’m an American doesn’t mean I shouldn’t be able to talk about a topic.

That's where you're wrong kiddo! 🤭

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

And where are you from?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

Same place, and as an American I can not shut up lol

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

You really think I'm gonna side with genocidal Amerikan suburbanites on any geopolitical conflict after the last twenty years of Anglo bullshit inflicted upon the world at large? Ion't believe shit you just said. Physically can't.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Ahh it finally comes out. You're just a hateful individual. You're so blinded by whatever hateful propaganda you have been eating up over the years you can't even have a normal discussion on a topic with an American.

And more assumptions. I live in a big ass city :)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

Whatever guero

[–] [email protected] 14 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

It really seems like he has been fighting them, at least significantly more than previous presidents

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago

How is this “fight” being represented? I ask, because in more than one occasion he’s been seen being close to El Chapo’s mother, do you mean he’s “fighting” cartels by negotiating with them? Or does this fight mean rather things like shouting “more hugs, less shootings”, or his menacing “I’ll tell on you to your mothers!” to the cartels?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Operation Reciprocity when?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

LOL, I feel that one. That novel is where I learned the word.

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