From the comments here I can see we learned nothing from Horse Armour.
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Aside from the controversy, why does every medieval game look as ugly as oblivion?
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It's not going to change much.
It's crazy dumb they created the controversy but the game is fully complete and excellent.
It's insane they didn't see this blowing up in their faces 🤦♂️.
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Which basic features? Almost everything people are complaining about can be obtained in game. I understand the dissatisfaction with the performance issues, but I am failing to understand this current discourse considering that capcom has been doing this in all their previous games.
I heard that fast travel is very limited, but that you can buy fast travel items for real world money.
The problem with that is: the goal of the game makers should be to make the game as enjoyable and fun as possible to sell as many copies as possible.
However, with such micro transactions your goal now is to add annoying stuff to the a level that maximises your profits. How much you can annoy your customers, depends mainly on the conditioning of your target audience.
So the more of that stuff is accepted and financially rewarded by customers, the more annoying games will become to increase the "need" to sell you a relieve.
I assume this discourse of making the game not enjoyable for the sake of maximizing profits is probably from people that didn't play the first game and haven't played the new game yet. I know this is a reality in cash grab games, but really doesn't seem to be the case here.
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Fast travel for example? Either I allow it or I don't. But both decision have a huge implication on the game design.
You can get the fast travel stones in game, same thing with wakestones. I can agree it is very unecessary to have these obtainable with real money but this isn't news for capcom and you can enjoy the game the same way just by not engaging with the cash shop.
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That's why steam reviews are better with it being from actual people who aren't scared of being blacklisted from future access. Even with joke reviews it's still actually more informative. These review outlets call it review bombing, but I call it review awareness with it highlighting and bringing attention to things paid reviewers neglect and ignore.
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They say in the article that reviewers were told about the microtransactions. Then they mention that one reviewer said he didn't read the notes that were sent by Capcom. Why would this reviewer need to go back and rescore the game? If he enjoyed it without knowing about the microtransactions, they clearly don't matter to the gameplay.
The review copies had no microtransactions. They were added at release.
That's my point. Reviewers gave it great scores when there weren't any microtransactions and they haven't changed anything in the game to make those microtransactions important. You can play the game the exact same way the reviewers did by just ignoring them.
~~You misunderstand, the mtx were essentially unlocked in the reviewers versions, not simply missing features. ~~
Edit: apparently my last edit didn't get submitted somehow, but I'm sorry about being misinformed and unintentionally spreading it. What I was told was wrong as it was spin that I read of what did happen: the those features were unlocked in the reviews… because they're in the game, this was conveniently left out. Then I misread that as the games otherwise not having those features.
I haven't seen anything that has said that. I couldn't find that in the article either.
Edit: I don't care about the downvotes, but surely one of you could've replied with a link showing me where it says that reviewers had the mtx unlocked for them while reviewing.
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Oh good, one more AAA I can auto-skip over.
Did you know you can block publishers on Steam?
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Spoilers: they won't.
Spoilers: they shouldn't. They actually reviewed the game and didn't circlejerk about one completely optional feature.
I think the whole game should be reviewed and that includes the microtransactions. There's a reason they add them after the reviews are in because they know people don't like to be nickel and dimed in a game that costs 60 to 70 fucking dollars.
Microtransactions arent the game though. And none of whats for sale makes a bit of difference to the game. Not to mention everything you can buy is in the game already, it wasnt taken out or put behind a paywall.
Do you also rate a game negatively if they have a battle pass? What about other capcom games like the resident evil remakes where you could buy the unlocked infinite weapons for 5 dollars? Do either take away from the actual game? No, no they do not.
Its still not great, i agree, but it doesnt make a good game bad just because you think its scummy. I say this, but i do not have the game nor will i be getting it. Not because of people online crying about a nothing burger, but i just dont have a system strong enough to play it. If i did, i would because i loved the original game.
Yes because I'm not getting the game for free so things like performance and monetization impact my purchasing decisions and what price I'm willing to pay for it, which is what I rely on reviews for. I don't see reviews as some art piece analysis. I don't care only about what someone thinks about the gameplay when it comes to spending money.
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except the version of the game they reviewed allegedly didn't have the micro-transactions/paywalls
The game didn't change though. The items are still in game, have the same in game prices. Fundamentally it's the same game.
The items are included in the game I thought, the microtransactions are just one method to obtain them.
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Did the review copies have the features you'd need to buy with microtransactions?
The MTX items are in game, the rumour that you can't fast travel and stuff blatantly false.
Capcom did some scummy shit, but the reason they(the press) didn't know is because even now post release the game makes no mention of them.
The limited travel, resurrections, and the currency for pawns were all in the first game and they all feel just as common in my experience.
So fuck Capcom, but the game does deserve the reviews it got imo. However, they also deserve all the backlash they are getting, because they intentionally kept it quiet. They knew players would be upset. It's gross.
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Mixed feelings about that - it sounds like you can still access those features so I don't think it really affects the base game at all. From what I remember about the first game, you had to be sparing on the waystones to start with, and it required a bit of work to get the item necessary to redo your character - so not much has really changed there. On the other hand, adding these microtransactions in the first place is a stupid idea and the publishers are shooting themselves in the foot by adding them. Should that really change the reviews of the base game though?
Dark patterns are malicious and antagonistic against the end user. The microtransactions add arsenic to the tea.
Having limited access to a resource to then hook you on microtransactions is from mobile game design. It's literally a freemium mechanic being put into an already upscaled price game.
It's one of the most abusive and addictive ways to develop a game, and you want to portray that positively.
I fucking hate gamers. We've been having this conversation since the horse Armor DLC for Oblivion yet here we fucking are.
Correct, it’s part of their design, you create a problem then You sell the solution.
Except having limited access to a resource is from the original game. There's this lie being sold online that it was an intentional decision for DD2 to try and sell more microtransactions, but limited fast travel is a hallmark of the original Dragon's Dogma. People are so quick to blind themselves to hatred that they haven't noticed that Capcom has added completely pointless microtransactions to every one of their games for at least the past 5 years. You can drag them through the coals if you want to over that, and it's as fair a reason to boycott Capcom games as any, but it's not a reason to start going after games journalists.
Except having limited access to a resource is from the original game.
The original game that ultimately saw success in its "Dark Arisen" release that had an eternal ferrystone.
Don't go trying to redefine history here, I played both copies of the original.
There's this lie being sold online that it was an intentional decision for DD2 to try and sell more microtransactions, but limited fast travel is a hallmark of the original Dragon's Dogma.
There is no lie in the complaints. Ferrystones are not a limited resource in Dragons Dogma 2. You just have to pay microtransactions for it. You are lying about the game to defend it. To me, this level of denial comes off as coping.
I want you to admit that ferrystones are not a limited resource in Dark Arisen and same with Dragons dogma 2. And I want you to admit the differences in how they are offered to the player.
Or go lie to somebody else.
If what I read is correct, there is a quest involving a spinx in late game that offers an eternal ferrystone. Now maybe I've been lied to, but it sounds pretty reasonable and would track with what was added to Dark Arisen. If you really, desperately, for whatever reason want to skip playing like 80% of the game and spend $30 to fast travel everywhere, I guess you could spend it on ferrystones? Nobody should do that though, it completely breaks the flow and atmosphere of the game, and they are meant to be a limited resource in the early game of both Dragon's Dogma 1 and 2. You can hate that decision all you want, but don't try to distort facts to fit your own rage. All the microtransactions are pointless and unnecessary.
Edit: I looked back through the Sphinx again, killing it grants you an eternal wakestone. So currently no way to get infinite fast travel, but yes to infinite lives.
Sounds like you want to change topics from your whole lies bit for some reason? Weird. Changing your defense from it being lies and a limited resource while not admitting the predatory nature of this game design. I dont care to argue your new bad faith points as you did not take the last stance fairly. I can't stand predatory microtransactions. The arrogance of people who don't care about it invading the game just allow further shit like this to fester.
I guess if we're changing topics, we can focus on the predatory character customization microtransaction. They locked any new saves or character creation to limit people to a microtransaction. That's pretty fucked up too.
Or we can go into Capcoms' recent attempts to take down mods from their old games. https://readwrite.com/capcom-backtracks-quickly-and-removes-drm-after-players-rebel/
There are plenty of problematic things to hit on here.
Have you tried to turn a circle in the main city on low settings?
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I kinda think we should go right off and bomb all the reviews, with the hope that it teaches devs to stop doing stuff like this.
From what I've read, it seems to be a compromise to me. I imagine the dev team didn't want to do it but compromised with the publisher and in reality they probably don't want you to buy the dlc, as it defeats some of the design decisions. There's a good pcmag article detailing the dlc and how impactful it is. My guess is that the general opinion of any reviewers would remain the same regardless (with the context of the pcmag article).
I scrolled through the mtx and... there is literally nothing in there that anyone should ever buy. Exception for the character redesign item, but if this is like first game, you can redesign your character between playthroughs.
I feel like there's some kinda argument here between the director and whatever suit wanted mtx. That stuff in the store is literally pointless to buy. RC? People will rent your pawn, that's how you get it. Wakestones? Gold in game.
Only thing I'd consider buying would be the eternal ferrystone, but that defeats the flow of the game, and they aren't selling it.
I think if people knew that you'd eventually unlock infinite fast travel in end-game anyway, maybe people would be less insane? but realistically the whiniest bitching is coming from people who just want to be mad, so trying to add context won't help.
It's stupid as hell because the game has legitimate issues with performance and some baffling choices, but everyone's upset with Capcom for...doing the same thing they've done for 5 years without any complaint.
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its the stuff from the deluxe edition. And it isn’t “buy currency whenever” mtx. just the deluxe stuff if you didn’t order deluxe. I got the base game and have already accumulated all this stuff.