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[–] [email protected] 92 points 7 months ago (11 children)

When growth is so inherent to your system that the opposite is "negative growth".

[–] [email protected] 35 points 7 months ago

We built a system based on continuous growth and consumption. People freeze like deer in the headlights when it gets brought up that it isn’t sustainable and get offended that maybe we should try to make some changes to it.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

The operative term here is "reaching carrying capacity."

Edit: now with visual aid:

[–] [email protected] 53 points 7 months ago (5 children)

That's good. Infinitely growing populations aren't sustainable, and I don't know that there are any viable arguments for continued population growth.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 7 months ago (3 children)

The problem is the word “significant”

We can all agree the population can’t continue to grow. We can also agree it probably needs to shrink, especially by the time this starts making a difference.

However, if it shrinks too rapidly, there’s a lot of potential disruption of society and economy. If it continues to shrink, it could be a serious problem for all of humanity.

We should make changes now to encourage more people to have kids. The goal should be a slow, controlled decrease, to level off, without major disruption

Personally, I like 6B as a good place to plateau. We’re probably already beyond the planet’s carrying capacity so need to be less than today. However a lot of the advancements in society (technology, space, medicine, science, innovation) really require a fairly large population. Establishing a number ought to be someone’s thesis, but in the meantime: 6B

[–] [email protected] -1 points 7 months ago (8 children)

sonally, I like 6B as a good place to plateau. We’re probably already beyond the planet’s carrying capacity so nee

With the current food growing technologies, we can handle 10 billion comfortable well. We will obviously not reach that number anytime soon. But we are on track to shrinking rapidly in many nations. That will destroy these nations.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Maybe society needs to be disrupted. There is lots of room for improvements

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Maybe, but I think of disruption sort of like mutation. We all like to think it creates superhuman but most same actually negative , and reality is we get more improvements with continuous increments

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Perfect example of Newspeak gaslighting.

"negative growth" instead of diminuition, population-recession, reduced population, or ANY proper rendition of the concept.

Nobody in mainstream media speaks plainly anymore, because .. money requires befuddlement instead of clear-understanding?

Or is there some/any other explanation??

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Apparently the proper term, 'natural decrease ', is much less sensational. It's all about clicks and views now, not delivering good content.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Is it natural if it’s bought on by low wages and high prices making it impossible for most to afford a family?

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Governments, along with the corporations who will struggle to find employees when this happens have all brought this upon themselves. Treating people like dogshit all the time doesn't pay off in the long run.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago

Good, I can't wait!

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Summary: The article from EL PAÍS discusses a study predicting a significant decline in the global population by 2100. Here's a summary:

Global Population Decline: The study, published in The Lancet by the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation, forecasts that by 2050, 155 out of 204 countries will have fertility rates too low to maintain their populations. By 2100, this will rise to 97% of countries.

Fertility Rate Drop: The fertility rate is plummeting worldwide. For instance, Spain's fertility rate decreased from 2.47 children per woman in 1950 to 1.26 in 2021, with projections of 1.23 in 2050 and 1.11 in 2100. This trend is mirrored globally, with France, Germany, and the European average also experiencing declines.

Economic and Social Impact: The study urges governments to prepare for the economic, health, environmental, and geopolitical challenges posed by an aging and shrinking population.

Regional Differences: While rich countries already face very low fertility rates, low-income regions start from higher rates. Sub-Saharan Africa, for example, will see a significant increase in its share of global births, from 18% in 2021 to 35% in 2100.

Migration as a Temporary Solution: The authors suggest that international migration could temporarily address demographic imbalances, but as fertility decline is a universal phenomenon, it's not a long-term solution.

The article highlights the need for strategic planning to address the impending demographic shifts and their associated challenges¹.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

Yet another issue that I’d too long-term for anyone to understand or focus on. If we address it now, changes can be small and simple. However history shows we’ll wait until it’s a crisis, then panic.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

This seems to assume that current trends will continue for the next 76 years, which seems like a generous assumption.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago

I'm betting the reality is far, far worse.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Get rekt, me!

Edit: my stupid typo

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