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President of the ROK Yoon*
Souless Korea's government does not speak for the Korean people.
I thought North Korea was Seouless?
Yoon has always been a fascist, so this isn't surprising in the slightest. He gained power by targeting women and disabled people, and appealing to far-right incels.
Japanese really don't like to be reminded of the bad things they've done huh?
Fascist Japan never really ended. If you look at who the US allowed into positions of power after Japan’s unconditional surrender, you’ll see it was largely the same government, but as a US client state.
Japan never really had an uprising though. It's weird that they went from American enemy number one to super friendly in like 30 years. But I'm not very educated on this subject so feel free to correct me here.
You’re right, they had no uprising. The US wanted a client state in the region, so in the reconstruction it installed a bourgeois democracy that was and is subservient to it.
for those who don't want to go through wiki articles, what he means is essentially after wwii, the US was like o shit communism. better be friends with Japan so we can install a bunch of army bases so we can have control in that area. Japan, ravaged by war, was just like... ok. which is why they get a lot of passes in western society for the shit they pulled in history. the end.
Same with West Germany.
How different was East Germany in your opinion?
Their 4 "allowed" political parties included 1 moderately Nazi.
Also USSR supported the so-called Socialist Imperial Party in West Germany, until it was banned there. Well, that's only few years, so.
I'm not familiar tbh. I just learned about how lots of Nazis remained or were placed in politically powerful positions by the west, often out of a desire to suppress communism.
Yes, that thing was particular to West Germany.
East Germany had lots of the same in its bureaucratic and generally not very "political" parts. Its politicians, yes, didn't include that kind of people. But unlike mother USSR it had a facade of pluralism, where one of the allowed parties was, again, very close to moderate Nazis.
Interesting. I could only imagine this as a kind of controlled opposition, but I'd be interested in learning more about it.
All of Western Europe, really. Gabriel Rockhill: The U.S. Did Not Defeat Fascism in WWII, It Discretely Internationalized It
I think these kinds of comments are harmful to the discourse because there a good deal of nuance missing.
For one, it's pretty reductive to call them 'Japanese who've done bad things' when who you're talking about is dead or on their death beds. That's not who the monument is for or about.
Historical monuments aren't for attributing the sins of grandparents to their grandchildren. It's about humanzing the victims and teaching people of this generation what was allowed to happen in the past. It's about teaching them the dangers of complacency and the complicit nature of being a bystander.
If it's worth anything, 4,300 people signed a petition against the removal and many protested in person.
Yes, Japanese people as a whole are severely lacking when it comes to acknowledging the atrocities committed by their country. No, Japanese people today are not personally responsible for them. The better we are at separating acknowledgement from responsibility, the easier time we will have convincing people to remember them.
This would be valid if Japan didn't continue to deny their role in atrocities. The Japanese people of today are entirely responsible for the lack of recognition of their role in the atrocities of yesterday.
You're over analysing things for no reasons as my choice of word is perfectly appropriate when you take half a second to figure out the context.
I think the person you're responding to already knows that and the implication of "the bad things they've done" is that they mean "the bad things their nation has done." It's a problem that Japan seems to have more than other nations because it's historically made a big show of its status as the only nation to ever suffer the use of nuclear weapons, and has plenty of memorials and museums to remember the event, while militantly denying, internally and externally, its own history of incredible violence and cruelty towards neighboring countries.
I was wondering if it were tied to recent court decisions in Korea to allow someone to sue over wartime labour, but it looks like this has been going on a lot longer.
Koreans are always playing victims.
They should be grateful that Japan brought civilization, technology, and Christianity to their barbaric society instead. The destruction of Tenochtitlan saved Koreans yet they still cry about it 400 years later.
Hot damn, that was the dumbest shit I've read all week..
Would've worked better if "Korean" and "Aztec" were similar words
What the fuck are you talking about.
I have seen first hand how Koreans are treated in Japan to this day. Second class citizens, not considered 'japanese' even if born in Japan, cant rent houses or apartments, discrimination in employment.
You got issues dude
Someone take over your account there, buddy?
I was trying to criticize the tacit view that the Spanish/Portuguese conquest of Americas was a net positive by confusing Koreans and Aztecs.
If Japanese colonialism and forced labor of Koreans is wrong, then the same action that the Spanish did is just as wrong too since people try to inject nuance for that colonization.
I thought that it was a pretty funny comment but it didn't workout this time. I'm going to send myself off to reeducation.
I tried to apply Poe’s Law but couldn’t make it make sense, maybe because it’s past my bedtime.
Nah I always try pulling this stuff, so I'm bound to get a few misses. Sometimes I have to learn to take an L.
It's always good seeing you around and goodnight!