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Sticking point is how much access U.K. producers should have to the Canadian cheese market

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

The UK is a sinking ship anyways. I wouldn't be surprised to see it split into it's constituent parts in the next decade or two.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

Perhaps negotiating with a Labor government might be more productive.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

They threw away their negotiation position when they left the EU, and now they're complaining that they have no leverage? Hah.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Canada would broker a deal with the loss of dairy tariffs with the EU than with the UK. The EU is a vastly bigger market than the UK, and we have way more maple syrup than them.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (2 children)

When the great maple syrup wars begin, Canada will claim dominance.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 9 months ago

Yes, we will hold the world hostage with our Strategic Maple Syrup Reserve until they bow to our demands.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

It's the underpinning behind Quebecois exceptionalism.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (2 children)

The UK makes up around 2.5% of Canada's trade exports, and strangely enough, more than half of that is us exporting Gold to them... about 7.5 Billion dollars worth in 2021

I think we'll be okay without a formal free trade agreement.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

We want to replace the US as our go to trade partner, we are going to need to increase our trading with other countries

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The UK is not our best option for that, our primary exports to the US are Petroleum and Cars/Car Parts, along with a ton of other raw exports. The UK doesn't want that stuff from us because they aren't a refiner/processor anymore. Even if they were, we aren't going to be shipping fossil fuels there, because we don't have a way to get it all the way across the country for a reasonable price. Similarly logging trees in BC and shipping wood products to them simply doesn't make sense logistically. We may be able to foist some food off on them from the prairies, but that's about it from a goods perspective.

We need to increase our trade with Japan, South Korea, Australia, India(unfortunately), along with the developing nations in Southeast Asia.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (2 children)

As an aside we shouldn’t be shipping unrefined oil products anywhere

But for raw trade we have potash, uranium, and asbestos

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Raw Aluminum is way higher than anyone ever expects -- cheap electricity means it's refined here.

Sauce: https://oec.world/en/profile/country/can?yearlyTradeFlowSelector=flow0

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

Aluminum is a good example for why we shouldn’t trade with the US (soft wood as well and everything else) because Trump took office and blocked Aluminum imports from Canada so China could sell more

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I shudder to think what country would want to actually buy asbestos. All I can think about is how much of a pain in the ass it is to clean up once used in construction.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

It's fucking amazing through. If it weren't for the instant cancer thing it would be used in 1000 household products, electronics, automotive parts, airplanes, space shit, even clothes. There are a few places where the benefits still outweigh the risks though, also places like Russia and China where they don't give a shit.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

Mainly used in cement and cars today

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Trade goes both ways.

But also, it hurts the Brexit fans when they can't bully their way through trade agreements. World is weird man ;)

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

We import even less from the UK than we export to them.

Also, lack of a free trade agreement doesn't mean we can't trade with them at all, most of that trade will continue completely fine. It just means that on either side there can be additional tariffs on specific items if the country decides to do that.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

A free trade agreement isn't just about goods either. Professional mobility is a wonderful thing. Anyway, I digress. I hope we can work something out. Actually, I hope the UK reverses course and rejoins the EU, but that's another conversation ;)

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Never going to happen. They well have less power then before.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

And that would be unfortunate for them, but clearer heads may come to the conclusion that they would have more power internationally than they do now.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

You'd think they'd have a better understanding of the obscene power that our dairy lobby is. The USA can't even bargain through it I don't know why thought they'd be able to.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

The dairy lobby here is more powerful than the gun lobby in the US. It's so powerful that both major parties fully support SM no matter what, and when leadership races happen candidates usually have to commit to maintaining SM during the process. It's so powerful that all the shills that come up with arguments defending SM don't even have to try - every argument they make is bullshit but it doesn't matter because their victory is total.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Ok what the fuck is SM sadomasochism? Cause I read the article checked the thread and there are no definitions or context clues...

Now a large portion of the audience will read your comments coming with my flawed conclusions. And it's at least somewhat funny

Define acronyms For Fucks Sake (FFS)

[–] [email protected] -1 points 9 months ago

Supply Management. Dairy is not a free market in Canada. It is a cartel in which each producer gets a quota. The US complains about it constantly because they massively over-produce dairy, which drops the price of US dairy products, which they then want to export to Canada. It would give us consumers lower prices, but would probably kill our dairy indistry. Or at least that's what we are told. I don't have enough knowledge to say whether that story is valid.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

You suggest SM is not a good idea but you don't point out an alternative, beggaring the question.

Surely you don't think the American super-capitalist market-forces brochure bait is better.