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[–] [email protected] 0 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

One thing I often see skipped on in research like this is how the people that can't manage their money are dealt with. Imagine i get UBI so i should be able to pay for groceries and rent, but I'm also an addict and spent all my money on drugs. This will still lead me to homelessness and starvation. I'm not saying this is a valid reason to not implement a UBI, I would even say it's not a relevant argument for or against UBi. But groups like these will still exist and will still need help. Again, i feel like research like this only looks at the impact on stable people with a healthy mind. Will people still be willing to help out strangers if they expect the government pays for their rent and food? Or will the gap between the 'smart people' with normal lives and the 'stupid people' with broken lives only get bigger?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 19 hours ago (4 children)

That's also not what this study is about. And if you're reasonable you can imagine how a more productive and happy society might be more able to take care of those who need social support

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 19 hours ago (3 children)

Everyone gets a chance. Just because not everyone uses it correctly doesn't validate the current standard of no one getting a chance.

"Well, we could build a bridge but someone might walk around it." Is not a valid reason to cancel the bridge, it's an aimless aside with no bearing on the conversation about how the bridge will help most people.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 20 hours ago (4 children)

It's pretty wild you need a three-year study for this.

Yes, if people have steady and secure income, they will not have to take every shit job they come across because they don't have to worry about being homeless or hungry next week.

I swear some studies are just stupid beyond imagination.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Unfortunately some believe this will make people lazy

[–] [email protected] 0 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

In no way, shape or form did I say people would become "lazy". But people won't work a tough fucking job for shit pay if they don't have to worry about necessities. They'd rather pursue a job that is fun to them. Nobody has fun driving taxi, collecting garbage or delivering mail.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 20 hours ago

This study isn't meant to 'sell it' to the people receiving the money, it is about showing the results the people handing out the money. Governments want to know what would happen if they would choose for a system like this. They are not gonna try this with tens of millions of people at once and risk tanking the whole economy. I don't think you realise the value of such results if you call research like this 'stupid beyond imagination'.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 22 hours ago

There are two kinds of peer reviewed research I like. 1. The amazing wild nobody ever expected it sort of results that upset multiple fields of research. And 2. The gradual, incremental improvements of what we already thought, but now with even better data. The former is uncommon and exciting; the latter merely extends the sphere of knowledge in expected ways. This clearly falls into category #2, so Yay!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Very interesting. Some actual data to go with all the political bluster surrounding the idea of a Universal Basic Income.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 21 hours ago

There’s been data for years, maybe over a decade now. It’s just on the list of subjects the rich don’t want the poors talking about so they bury it.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

There is a lot of data out there in the US, they're trying it in a lot of places.

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