Parents should monitor their children internet usage, and there are tools that make it easier. I don't get this is for, aside from normalizing parents spending less time on their children and giving away control, and we can already see trend of parents just not giving a fuck about them and how they use internet/technology in general.
this post was submitted on 08 Mar 2024
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we can already see trend of parents just not giving a fuck about them and how they use internet/technology in general.
Tech-illiterate parents have been a thing since the dawn of the internet.
Which isn't a defence of this law, but pretending as if this is a new phenomenon is simply false. Having a kid's parents surveil everything the kid does isn't exactly healthy either.
.kids tla. Regulate and certify what can be on that. Let parents implement the .kids whitelist if they want.
Digital age verification is only advocated by people who don't know how the internet works. All it's going to do is drive usage away from regulated sites to unregulated ones.
Yeah but the pious get to feel important
basically the only way it would ever remotely work is if countries adopted the south korean method of identy. they have a kssn used for basic identity purposes, and a seperate id for tax/money related purposes. if a country has both as the same ID, it becomes MAJOR liability if a company had leaked the number. having seperate identity and financial numbers removes the financial risk if the identity value was leaked.
although of course, it removes privacy as the government now can track users (e. g how korea tracks children's game playing time online, as a KSSN is required to register to play)
there must be a black market in dead peoples KSSNs, right?
people often use other peoples kssns, usually parents or grandparents to bypass the child timer yes. but its a roadblock nonetheless
I remember using one in 2004 to be able to play the Korean WoW demo. I have no idea where I managed to find one.
People use their grandparents kssn all the time according to gamer koreans I've spoken with.
Explains how some 102 year old korean keeps fucking my ass in starcraft every week. I thought I was just terrible at it.
I generally like the spirit of the DMA and the DSA, but the age verification policy is utterly garbage. Privacy and age verification are mutually exclusive
You can use the German ID card as a way to authenticate yourself via Internet (by using an open source app), including age. Shouldn't it be possible to provide a limited interface that e.g. only signals if the person is above a certain age? You already have to enter a PIN in the app so it could also easily show which information is asked/transmitted.
Yes, and it can be done in a way where the organization validating the age doesn't know the purpose. They would still know that you requested an age validation and when, but that's it. So the German government wouldn't know whether it was for porn or for signing up for a youth hostel.
I'm not saying that I agree with the restrictions, but it is possible technically.
In essence, if that where possible someone could build an api and donate his ID into it that answers all the authentication requests for everyone. There needs to be a way to ensure different users use different IDs, which necessitates a bunch of tracking.
And that in the ideal case
A system doesn't have to be perfect to accomplish most of its goals. I mean, mass usage could be easily caught. Smaller scale abuse would be like giving your younger friend a beer - technically against the rules but not really a huge problem.
To be able to catch that, you need tracking. Some identifier to determine if you had 1000 authentications from the same source or different ones.
Yes, correct. You have to assume that each party will be tracking everything they can, otherwise it doesn't make sense. So the age verifier will know that you have requested many authentication in a given time.
The infrastructure to support such things are naturally anti-privacy. Ultimately it requires someone to simply ignore other info that would otherwise be accessible. There could be a unique governing body for that part which is chartered for only sharing appropriate info, but even then, it's an ask for people to trust that body and that it wouldn't leak.
Ultimately it requires someone to simply ignore other info that would otherwise be accessible.
Nah. The ID card says "here, have a proof that I'm an ID card issued by , and I assert that the bearer is 18+". The crypto involved can be furnished such that nothing but the issuing authority and the fact "18+" gets transmitted, no name, no id number, no nothing. You can't even match up different times you age auth with the same ID as every time the proof will look different.
That said I'm still against that kind of auth online, but the crypto is not the issue. Unlike voting it's actually solvable.
The crypto involved can be furnished such that nothing but the issuing authority and the fact "18+" gets transmitted, no name, no id number, no nothing.
This is a best-case-scenario implementation. I just think it is extremely likely that any approach actually implemented would not have the privacy of the user in mind.