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If U.S. President Donald Trump fails in his stated goal of annexing Canada through economic force, what would happen if he ordered the world’s most powerful military to invade?

Some experts and academics say it’s a notion too preposterous to even contemplate. But Aisha Ahmad isn’t one of them.

“When you look at the power (imbalance) between the U.S. and Canada, an invasion would immediately result in the defeat of the Canadian Armed Forces,” said the University of Toronto political science professor, who last month published an essay on the subject in The Conversation.

“But a conventional military victory is not the end of this story. It’s just the beginning.”

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Do they mean an insurgence comprised of Canadians or US folk...? Both maybe.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 week ago (2 children)

decades long is an understatement. unless they mean the US itself will collapse

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Maybe not collapse, but they sure as hell won't 'win'.

In a recent article published in The Atlantic magazine, (American military historian Eliot) Cohen used a tongue-in-cheek approach to warn Americans against invading Canada, pointing out that previous attempts led to dismal results.

His review of American military failures starts in 1775, when U.S. troops invaded Quebec, where they distributed pamphlets — translated into French — awkwardly declaring: “You have been conquered into liberty.” The campaign ended in disastrous defeat for the American Continental Army in December 1775.

During the War of 1812, former U.S. president Thomas Jefferson said conquering Canada was “a mere matter of marching.”

“This was incorrect,” Cohen wrote. “The United States launched eight or nine invasions of Canada during the War of 1812, winning only one fruitless battle. The rest of the time, it got walloped.”

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago

There was a certain light colored house that got lit on fire by retaliatory forces back in 1812.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Starting to really consider a meshtastic device for every family member. Thankfully, we mostly all live within range of each other.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Do you plan to DIY? I am intrigued but wish there were more reasonably priced and well-reviewed turnkey units.

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 week ago (4 children)

It would another Vietnam or Afghanistan. They'd invade, kill a few thousand maybe million people, mire around, and then retreat again with their funds drained and thousands of crippled veterans with PTSD.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago

Don't forget the "mission accomplished" picture while they retreat.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

It would be way worse than Vietnam or Afghanistan. Both countries would be devastated and it could spark world war three or a second american civil war.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 week ago (1 children)

vietnam but the viet cong can drive to your house

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 week ago (1 children)

And the Viet Cong look exactly like the Americans this time around. Good luck!

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago

But a few newly enriched white dudes so 👌

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I'd join the insurgency from within. We have lots of overkill guns down here and very little supervision over who can buy them.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago (2 children)

There are a fuck of a lot of guns here, we just had a lot of boating accidents every time new laws came in to punish legal, vetted and licensed gun owners.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Well shit. Wouldn't American laws apply to the new citizens? The very laws intended to prevent violent occupation?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago

Hahahaha. Those laws are for "citizens", not subjects.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Come fuck around with Canada, murica! We'll be waiting for you!

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago (2 children)

If they do invade us they will have accepted genocide as the most efficient tactic before crossing the border.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago

I mean, I don't really want to genocide America, but I guess if they've accepted that who am I to hold back?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago (2 children)

As long as they understand we will show no mercy!

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago

and that the canadians will have help from everywhere

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Neither will the Americans that decide to help you guys. Trump and Co seem to forget that the right hasn't had a monopoly on guns for a long time in this country. The left just doesn't make it our entire personality.

BTW, I'm pretty sure you patriotic Canadians can still legally purchase old APCs and BMPs from our stockpiles. Might wanna get a few for each town near the border. At least I'm pretty sure it would be legal for you to buy them down here. Dunno if Canada would have something to say about that. Tell Canada they're for the mounties, lol.

If they wanna fuck around with Canada, they'll find out. Same for Mexico.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Is there any communities dedicated to helping Canadians prep? IE, content like guides on getting your PAL, information on firearms, and just general independence and (realistic) prepping advice?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Rod and Gun* clubs, and similar groups, are all over the country. They have all of what you need. The diversity of a group might vary based on things like region but charter-rights Canadian values are generally a baseline.

If a search engine isn't helping to find an appropriate target sports group try calling local gun ranges and asking them for contacts.

*god and run clubs

[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Government should cancel PAL requirements and all registration type paperwork. Make it hard for US to track guns

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Not that I'm aware of. There are manuals/pamphlets that other nations have put out that offer some basic advice, ie: have 3 days-2 weeks of canned food available, fill multiple jugs with potable water, etc.

Fyi - PAL courses are filling up fast in my area, so people are aware of that at least.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago (3 children)

True 25 years ago. Now consider that the U.S. controls Android and Iphone. Every location and message from every person

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

the devices will be dead from the total collapse of energy infrastructure

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 week ago (2 children)

THE INSURGENCY WILL RUN ON BLACKBERRY OS CIRCA 2006 ✊🍁🪿

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago

How tough would it be for an insurgency force in a nation with high gun ownership rates and who have been more or less comfortable committing war crimes in the past? I suspect Canadians would drop the officer average lifespan by at least a decade.

[–] [email protected] 84 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Do you have any idea how hard it is to focus on school/studying when this is the kind of news that keeps popping up?

[–] [email protected] 51 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I remember being constantly terrified of nuclear annihilation during the cold war in the 80's, when every night after dinner, Peter Jennings would tell America how close we were to MAD. Now I live in Canada and I have that same existential dread that I had 45 years ago living in the US, except somehow it's even worse

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago

One of those fears is of the mad cruelty of a few men, the other is of the mad cruelty of thousands, if not millions, of attackers and supporters.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

worse than nuclear annihilation? I guess that would at least be quick. I was complaining to my parents about how shit just being alive is right now and they replied with "every generation has their struggles"... I had to cut the conversation there, I couldn't even be bothered to respond to that.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

As you grow older you learn how to have control over your brain, ie: you can, through practice, tell it to shut the fuck up when it's screaming all your fears at you all at once.

Your brain can either be like a spoiled child running around creating chaos, or a fairly well behaved child who listens to your requests and needs. Choose wisely.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

As someone who is in their 40s this has been my life since about 2006. Crisis after crisis, all the while boomers got theirs and all future generations are fucked from it

Just turn it off and stop caring i guess, it’s the boomer way

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I guess if you wanna turn it off that's your choice.

I prefer to teach it some manners and self-control instead.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Take life head on. Don’t shut out your feelings or ignore what’s happening

Entire generations are losing to a “I got mine mentality”. Now is the time to fight. Fuck manners and self control. It’s time to organize and destroy facism again

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 week ago

I'm not avoiding life. I've simply taught my brain to stop ranting about future and present fears that I can't do anything about.

That's how I have the time to sleep peacefully and prepare for what's coming, instead of freaking out.

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