I think this makes sense. I still need X11 for VR because GNOME still doesn't have display leasing on Wayland but once that gets implemented I won't be using X11 anymore. I think most people don't need X11 anymore either. For people like me who still need it for specific things, it can just be installed again manually.
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On my RTX 3080 laptop I get a significantly lower frame rate on my laptop screen (240hz) and 4k external monitor (144hz) when using Wayland. Wayland has come a long way but I'm still going to be using X11 for at least the near future.
Yeah I feel you. Nvidia drivers need to catch up
I use an old Apple Cinema display with fedora and it only works at full resolution with Xorg..
I would support this, but Wayland always lacks support for remote. I have to switch to x11 if I want to work on it via teamviewer (past) or rustdesk (present).
You can use the built in remote access tool. Also Rustdesk does have some support but it is getting better slowly.
ironically that's literally what x11 is made for.
I just tested freerdp on gnome wayland and it works (via Settings -> Sharing -> Remote Desktop). Combined with tailscale/zerotier, you should be able to remote from anywhere via RDP.
It cannot be used to log in, potentially can’t even unlock but I haven’t used it in a while (Edit: confirmed it cannot connect if locked). A reboot preventing access until I go back to the local console is not fun.
I realize for their rustdesk example it’s not really different iirc, but there are solutions for x11.
GNOME 46 (currently in release candidate mode and fully releasing later this month on March 20) is adding support for remote graphical logins via rdp:
https://9to5linux.com/gnome-46-to-introduce-headless-remote-logins-via-gnome-display-manager
So you'll be able to do this pretty soon, after upgrading.
It'll be in Fedora 40, scheduled for release around April 16.
https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-40/f-40-all-tasks.html
Ah, I see. I disable automatic lock on my desktop and have automatic login so it was not an issue for me.
This works in a private network you own. But my remote system is at work. I can not use it with full automatic login. Hell it's even encrypted and has a BIOS PW.
Nvidia users: *Chuckles* I'm in Danger
I though Nvidia was getting better
It’s horrible. My laptop with hybrid graphics works ok except for a brief flicker every time it wakes from sleep. It’s not a big deal. My desktop with dedicated nvidia is a hot mess - constant flickering. Steam is borderline non-functional and there are all kinds of graphical glitches on the desktop. I’m stuck with X11 on that machine.
If it's not usable they just won't use it.
I tried Gnome with Wayland and an Nvidia card just yesterday, it worked fine so far with the proprietary drivers. NixOS not Fedora though.
I use Wayland on NixOS too and everything works fine except slight flickering in games.
I think it'll be fixed soon though and I can fully move to Wayland.
Can confirm. Wayland with new nvidia GPU is currently unusable even with the proprietary drivers. F39
I am currently in F39 Wayland with proprietary nVidia drivers and I have not experienced any issues. (Laptop Quadro P3200)
Edit: this was a useless comment. OP specified new, my laptop is an old boy.
They said new nVidia GPUs. Your Quadro P3200 is five years old now.
That's my bad. I missed the word new. Skimmed right over it.
Yeah, I was talking about one of the new ones released this past January
Shit, my bad. Totally skimmed that word.
All good, brother. I wasn't that clear
@redcalcium @e8d79 The noVideo experience on Linux dramatically improved, especially with the latest driver versions and modern DIVORCE GPUs. We also kinda have to accept the death of X11
I sure hope so. Just the other day I updated to nvidia v550. Got a blank tty screen right after login to gnome/wayland. Rebooted the computer and login to gnome/x11, no issue. Logout and relogin to gnome/wayland, somehow no issue anymore. I guess this kind of random issues will persist until one day Nvidia decides to play nice with Wayland.
Being the first major distro to force the adoption of new technologies is kinda Fedora's whole thing, so it's not really surprising. It's annoying for people on Fedora who use features Wayland doesn't have yet, but they can jump through a few hoops to get X11 back, or better yet switch to a distro that cares more about giving users options than they do about beta testing new technologies for their corporate overlords.
Still, somebody has be first, and it's past time to get serious about this whole transition, so I can hardly try to claim this is a bad thing.
Fedora is life
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