Alternatively though, if an app has KDE library dependencies for example, it's kinda nice to not have to install a whole other desktop system wide.
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No source to compile it yourself?
"maybe a software being excessively bloated isn't a good thing"
"just buy more storage bro"
B*tch. i live in a third world country, with limited internet and data plan, and also is still a student. If i can just buy more storage and better hardware i will.
and 8gb ssd? at that size it's surely a removable 2242 ngff drive, it's like 10$ for a 64gb one. you're quite literally throttling your systems read/write speed, cause ssds want at least 20% free to manipulate files.
you probably have thrice that in your yay/paru or emerge cache
i know what you are.
I refuse to use anything that only has a flatpak.
I'll kill an entire project because there's no other alternative.
fuck flatpak and all others like it.
There's very good reasons that app developers focus on flatpaks, which mostly revolves around how incredibly terrible the experience is creating native packages for each distro and each release version of those various distros.
Flatpak used to be problematic, but even a loud hater of Flatpak, Richard Brown of openSUSE, now lauds Flatpak as an excellent solution after his criticisms were addressed.
Flatpak is such a cool tool, kind of sad seeing it be mainly used for barely usable bloatware like libadwaita and electron. So much unrealised potential
Flatpaks implement deduping, so they actually don't take that much space when installed.
I habe a PC with an 8gb SSD
I think I found your real problem.
TONS OF SAME STUFF
every time:
downloads a different version of KDE from 2014
Flatpak is only useful in distros that lack few packages
Void Linux is the Definition of βlacks a few packagesβ
I agree
Ok dude, you should have looked at the minimum requirements for a linux install before buying that thin client. I checked debian and fedora and both had minimun requirements exceeding 8gb for graphical environments. Read the manual, stop bashing a tool you arent using right. Flatpak works great for almost every use case, especially if you learn how to tweak the sandbox.
"you're holding it wrong"?
Like many have said, can you build it yourself?
Flatpaks have their uses, and for many people they're a great system that solves a situation well enough and with great convenience. For other situations, flatpaks are an ugly hack. I think we just have to accept that devs will not always package or tailor their software for all situations (electron apps, anyone?!), but at least in the FOSS world you can usually compile yourself if you need to.
Flatpak is love, flatpak is life.
btrfs compression and dedupe. Saves a lot of space
I liked Snaps and Flatpaks fine when I first started using Linux, and the distro I was on treated them the same as software in the repo, but I eventually started to avoid them because of the space they take up, and because I got tired of constantly having to mess around with permissions to try to get things working. Now, if something isn't available in rpm, I use AppImage or a tarball, or compile it myself.
- rpm: signed payload and manifest with signatures in bill of materials that integrates and coordinates with system db and allows enterprise content review and validation at every step and/or easy back-out.
- flatpack/app image - none of these.
Anyone interested in build, security, deployment, should have issue with that. But look at its corp champions and discover their motive.
Very true! Good points.
Lol kinda wild to me seeing flatpak hate as a new Linux user (running fedora with kde). Flatpaks have just worked for me and it's been fantastic
If you're new to Linux, then your probably not familiar with the full Linux community yet. Much like in real life, online Linux spaces tend to have a very loud minority of conservatives who hate progress.
Usually you'll see them hating on things like systemd, 64bit architectures, containers, new packaging systems (like Flatpak), immutable and experimental distros (like Nix), Wayland, "bloated" desktops like KDE or Gnome, and much more.
And just like in real life, the antidote is to not take another person's word for it. Do your own homework/try things out yourself and arrive at your own conclusions.
Flatpaks work great on my laptop, but they have can have issues if you use multiple hard-drives or partitions. Especially for gaming.