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From the river to the sea!!!
Why would you not censor the face if you change the literal content of the sign?
And in the background is a really weirdly edited banner too.
The best way to end war is to put the people who declare war on the front lines.
Incorrect. This statement is only true if Israel had started the war. Hamas started the War. Israel has to defend itself otherwise Hamas has already shown it will kill citizens of Israel. Hamas has gone as far as indoctrination of kids. You want to know who is in the right? The Palestinian National Authority. No one else
History is a really important subject. I think a lot of people just dont undrstand this conflict. And a lot of people who do understand it are evil. Basically nobody is in the right. Where do you put the israelis who lived there for generations? Where do you put the palestanians who lived there for several generations? How do you solve the religious and cultural conflicts. Its an extremely complicated war. Not to mention that its not the civilians who start a war its the stupid leaders and terrorists aka hamas, us, israeli government. Well this is my view i may have got things wrong but i dont know the exact details of it.
Hamas didn’t exist at the start of the conflict actually. They formed in response to and with funding from Israel in the 80s and 90s.
I am referring to what started on the 7th.
And I think restricting context and acting like anything started recently is an inaccurate way to frame what’s going on. This conflict has been going on far longer than a week. Wars don’t just pop up out of nowhere, they are based on context from before the war.
Sigh I hate getting into it on social media, but this is just blatantly untrue.
Hamas has shown just how brutal they are willing to be the past few days and they explicitly have in their charter the destruction of Israel. Hamas given the chance would absolutely ethically cleanse all of the Levant of Jews. The PLO has a martyr fund for dying while killing Israelis. Israel not fighting would absolutely lead to complete destruction.
On the other hand, if Israel wanted to, it could completely wipe out any and all Palestinian areas. Palestine has no real air force, navy, or artillery and wouldn't be able to stop them. The only reason Israel hasn't done so is they have decided not to.
This isn't commentary on the entire conflict or the history or who is right/wrong. I'm just pointing out that this is factually incorrect.
sigh why do these oppressed people hate their oppressors so much? Why do they have to fight for their freedom instead of just being nice?
Correct, the situation is much more nuanced than a simple sign could say. Both sides have rights and very wrongs about them. The only thing that should really be on signs should be "both sides should stop the violence and talk it through", but we all know about how well that would go. Still, star trek taught me that should be the goal.
Great point! Have you seen the documentary Star Wars btw? They have some interesting counterpoints on the use of violence against one's oppressors in the interest of obtaining freedom from said oppressors.
“both sides should stop the violence and talk it through”
Hard to have a sit-down talk when one side (Palestine) outright says their goal is to kill all Jews and Christians.
How is this getting downvoted? Regardless what your opinion on the matter is, this is objectively true. Israeli forces and government have been pushing into Palestine more and more, forcibly removed Palestine people from their homes and settling people there. So, Palestine literally would not exist in a few more years.
It's downvoted because it's objectively false. Israel has been attacked since day on in attempt to remove it from the map. If they were to stop fighting they wouldn't exist. If it weren't for Palestine constantly fighting, there wouldn't even be a wall around Gaza.
Destruction of Israel is in Hamas' charter. This meme is beyond stupid.
I would say it's valid to dislike this as an oversimplification. It's a super complex series of unintended and intended consequences, bad ideologies, and terrible behavior generally.
They say war is a failure of imagination, and it has been increasingly hard for either of the belligerents to imagine peace.
I think the only humane view we can take as bystanders is to support asylum seekers as much as possible and condemn war crimes no matter who does them. Most people are just caught up in the gears of history. Nobody deserves this.