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Once again the conservatives were proven wrong. Let's not make the same mistake Canada, vote liberal. (youtu.be)
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We have yet another example of the conservatives having only short term gain and quick profits on their mind. Turner and the liberals were right when they said that we have been building this country east to west for a century plus, and that we should have continued doing so. And now we are seeing Turner's predictions coming true, and a conservative sold us the fuck out and took the easy way Instead of nation building.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

I agree liberals dont make tha same mistake as your american equivalents. Make sure your candidates running actually gives people reasons to vote for your candidate.

Dont think you can just goose step to the party line of no change for the working class. Dont try to deny and support a genocide. Dont think the other candidate sucking is sufficient for you to brow beat people to vote for your candidate.

If there's a group asking for a change that you might not technically agree with but doesnt harm people do it anyways

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 days ago (5 children)

It's so obvious that Canada and the liberal party isn't supportive of Israel doing what they're doing.... Wtf are you talking about?

Don't be that left leaning douche bag that thinks that unless everything is done perfectly to a tee with what YOU want to see, that it isn't worth voting for. The NDP has great ideas and we owe them for pushing the liberals to get dental care and pharma care done ... But Jesus Christ the foreign interference is strong with you

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I know it's because you feel very passionate about this issue, but you really need to change that attitude. We're all fiends here.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

lol yes being an asshole definitely is going to win you votes. lol you idiots never learn jesus.

imagine thinking that politicians should serve their constituents interests in order to ensure people are willing to vote for them is 'foreign interference'. lolol

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 days ago (4 children)

You're talking about a foreign issue that is not Canada's number one pressing issue at the moment. Conflating it with the liberals who have the best chance at defeating the conservatives who will sell out our country, to the USA, who is also currently aiding the genocide and horror happening in Gaza and Israel right now...

Like how well did it turn out for the NoT VoTinG KaMalA crowd because they thought she would be terrible for Palestine? Don't be dumb.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (5 children)

I'm not conflating anything, I'm telling you to stop worrying about the candidate you dont like and demand your preferred candidate make a case on why they are worth putting the effort on showing up for to people who dont give a shit about politics. my examples were of what not to fucking do, and you immediately start doing a few of them. good job.

the US liberals (harris/biden/pelosi/schumer,etc) and those like them (you) think you can brow beat people into compliance by fear of conservatives and that doesnt work. all it does it cause people to tune you out and then ignore the election entirely.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

Why are you trying to conflate Canadian Liberals and the Democrats? They aren't remotely the same party, the systems of government don't look anything alike and they aren't in cahoots.

And the Canadian Conservatives are fronting a guy who has stated his support of American style "Right to Work" legislation and other Americanizing government initiatives who went into politics immediately from going to school for international affairs against a guy who has spent years as Governor of two National Central Banks and created a number of international contacts across the Commonwealth in the international financial sector that can be leveraged and yet Conservatives are trying to paint themselves as "better for the economy". Pollievre has been utilizing anti gay anti queer dogwhistles in his rhetoric for the past ever as well. Fuck Right to Work bullshit and fuck anybody who wants to roll back civil protections. There's not a lot of places in the world as safe as Canada for queer people to exist so it's not like there's much better places to escape once the fortress falls.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (4 children)

I'm not. I'm telling you that running a campaign on nothing other than 'not that guy' is a recipe for a disaster.

Do. not. fall. into. that. trap.

its a trap this entire thread demostrates people are actively falling into.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 days ago (5 children)

The CPC and UCP are pretty awful for sure. But as this thread demonstrates, conservatives do not have a monopoly on bad takes, divisive rhetoric, unnecessary hostility, and self-defeating attitudes.

And the parallels between Democrats and LPC are significant. Both have an establishment that isn't genuinely interested in tackling certain problems or backing away from a still generally pro-business bias. Aside from some key fundamentals we can credit for upholding this difference, many of the practical differences between Canada and the U.S. are more in degree than nature -- i.e. money in politics, corporate welfare, influence of traditional energy, (mostly provincial) industrial barons, etc.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Yeah good job showing kamala she was wrong. Working real good. She definitely knows she lost.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

laugh she won in my state silly. she lost because she didnt give people a reason to show up for her. recognizing and acknowledging that someone is a shit person and thats why they lost lets you address the problems I mentioned above.

but yes keep burying your head in the sand. the DNC is likely to lose the next election too unless they learn to give their base what they want.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

she didnt give people a reason to show up for her.

Her opponent was Donald Trump. That's it. That's the reason.

If it was Kamala Harris vs Nikki Haley I'd get it. But this wasn't establishment Democrat vs establishment Republican. It was establishment Democrat vs actual fascism.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 days ago (5 children)

Her opponent was Donald Trump. That’s it. That’s the reason.

JFC, no, no it isn't. This is exactly the point I'm making, this is exactly the reason kamala lost. The majority of the population doesn't give a shit about politics and is uninformed and they dont bother understanding the political landscape.

If you run a campaign on 'im not them' and 'i wont fix any of the things that are negatively impacting your life' you will lose. Never mind demonstrating that you're willing to fucking murder an entire people.

Why? because people are going to say 'well both candidate suck, not going to bother with either'

Then you have the other candidate claiming to they'll fix the price of eggs (even if they wont) and at least they're addressing issues impacting you.

Facts:

  • the majority of the populace has never interacted with transgendered individuals they do not understand them
  • the majority dont care about the struggles of LGBT+ community. they think the country is inclusive enough and live and let live.
  • the majority of americans constantly suffer from abuses by corporate groups via denied health claims, price gouging, over working their employees.

Running around saying 'i'm not my opponent, and I will do nothing to help you but i'll do this other thing that costs corporate american nothing and impacts maybe 2 million people' is a fucking recipe for disaster.

This is why kamala was missing 20 million votes. not because she was black, not because she was female, but because she offered nothing for people to show up to vote for her and the democrats despite massive systemetic problems our country is currently facing. When your major policy announcement is lol weed something the majority of the country already has easy access too people will just yawn and stay home.

If you're Canadian reading this thread: Do. not. be. this. person. demand your candidates improve your lives. do not think that simply not being the other person will win.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 days ago

What next election?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (5 children)

I’m feeling conflicted this year. I’ve been an NDP voter since as long as I was old enough to vote. This year I’m leaning Liberal.

My riding is polling strong red so while it doesn’t make a statistical difference I want to show the NDP that I’m not confident in their leadership or partisanship. I love their policies but it’s time for Jagmeet and similar ineffective MPs to make way for stronger leaders.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago

Yeah same boat here.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 days ago

That's pretty much where I'm at as well. My riding is currently blue, and every piece of mass-mail propaganda I've gotten from the current MP has used a lot of words to say an awful lot of nothing.

I've generally voted NDP, but they need to make some leadership changes. I don't believe that the current NDP leadership would be effective in handling the overgrown toddler running the show in the US, and PP would hand us to him on a silver platter. I don't actively dislike Carney so far, so at least that's something.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Yeah, the NDP kind of need to get crushed in this election so we can clear out the dead wood. We need a reborn and revitalized NDP to meet the current moment.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago (3 children)

I kind of agree, but there's a substantial chance the NDP will insist on misinterpreting the results as meaning they should pull even farther to the relative center, even though it's their base they are losing.

On the other hand, the NDP implosion in NB opened the window for a stronger Green party with no more splitting of left-leaning votes. That party now more effectively represents both environmental concerns and labor. So far, that's seeming like a pretty harmonious pairing of interests, with a largely shared base.

I'm good with the NDP either shaping up or getting out of the way.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I absolutely disagree with that statement.

The Liberals are going to bring more of the same. What we need is a strong coalition with both the Liberals and NDP to push the Liberals to work for the little guy for once.

I'm tired of having a party that does nothing but work for corporations, who can't think outside the box and do nothing for the working class.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 5 days ago (4 children)

How has the liberals programs like childcare, the first home savings account, the middle class tax cut, the raising of taxes on the wealthiest, the school foods program, the deals struck with multiple auto makers to build evs and their batteries here in Canada, investments into critical mineral extraction, enhancing trade tie with Europe and South East Asia, and the Trans mountain pipeline, LNG projects bad for the working class again? ThE cARbOn tAx?

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

An NDP minority would keep Singh and the other softly softly types in charge, and continue to offer weak, incremental improvements instead of real, meaningful change. We need a radical, socialist left that offers real solutions if we're going to avert the rise of fascism here in Canada, and the NDP needs new faces and new ideas if they're ever going to win people over again.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I agree with you there. The NDP needs to be more aggressive. I don't know about radical though. You don't want to scare people off either. I think it needs to be progressive. But, they definitely need a change in leadership.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The Cons have lied through their teeth for decades, but specifically since Mulroney. He followed Reagan around like a lapdog and did his bidding. NAFTA never should have been signed.

[–] [email protected] 51 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (6 children)

I'll be strategically voting liberal this time because of the MAGA traitor PP. He would sell Canada in a heartbeat to Trump's regime.

Once Milhouse is dealt with I will not be voting liberal ever again. Not that my vote matters really. My riding is 100% liberal.

I really don't give a shit how unpopular Jagmeet is. I am a socialist. I don't like the liberals. They're centrists. I will vote for the centrist to keep fascism at bay.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I guarantee that when the next election rolls around, you'll once again be voting liberal to keep fascism at bay.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Just as the system intends. We need electoral reform as part of the solution out of this cycle. Our politics often mirror some of the USA (2 party system, right vs left, candidates spend most of their time bad mouthing each other, no follow through on election promises) , given their current state, we should be doing everything we can to distance ourselves and our systems from theirs.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 days ago

I'm pretty much in the same boat but luckily my riding is a safe NDP vote so I don't have to worry about being strategic.

I am obviously hoping for Carney this time around though. I'd vote for an (evil even) inanimate carbon rod over PP. Hopefully the NDP can choose a new leader and really take off next election

[–] [email protected] 30 points 6 days ago

Thank you for voting strategically. It would be great to see people wake the fuck up and see the NDP become the official opposition. The conservatives should be banished to the basement of parliament

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

If you haven't seen it.

https://youtu.be/R59JmC0u63I

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago

So fucking sad

[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 days ago

Vote, bring your friends to vote, post about voting and encourage everyone to fucking vote.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 6 days ago (2 children)

If for no other reasons at all I think Canadians should vote Liberal for these two stances from their 2021 platform:

  • 0 or lower emissions by 2050

I think climate change is a much more immediate concern than most people realize, there simply is no excuse to throw the future away over lesser social concerns.

  • Taxing people who make more than 49k a Minimum non-deductible 15%, as a method of preventing the use of loopholes to pay 0% effective rates by the wealthiest of Canadians.

I think the 49k Canadian Dollars is a bit low for the bar to be, but if it taxes the rich then everyone below the 1% gains more from this policy than they lose.

But I'm not Canadian. Ya'll do you.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

The one thing I wish would stay is the 66% capital gains over $250000 a year. That tax would impact the highest of income earners only but I also see the reason in scrapping that for now to spur capital investment here. Eventually we are going to have to increase the taxes on the rich but the economic growth from what we have laid out so far will spur our economy for the next year or two until we set up trade improvements for our European and South Asian allies.

We are going to be building faster then we ever could at a time like no other. Just as we had Europe's back in both world wars we will have your backs now in the face of Russian aggression and we will keep tabs on those American fascists running the country to the south of us. We will happily supply Europe with the resources it needs just as we did before. Natural gas, hydrogen, lumber, wheat, potash, aluminum, steel, lithium, cobalt, nickel, and so much more.

This is the Canadian century, and we will rise to the occasion

[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 days ago (1 children)

there simply is no excuse to throw the future away over lesser social concerns.

You underestimate just how selfish people can be

[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 days ago (1 children)

How selfish conservatives and gullible people can be.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago

They are also people

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