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Like even if they have nothing else they could just leak IP is there any law against it ? Or any technical aspect stopping them ?

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 8 months ago

Serious answer: nothing except their own lack of access to anything except the ip address and whatever you give them.

But that's easy to counter with a VPN and a bit of common sense.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 8 months ago

Technical measures are impossible in this particular case. However, I would say that the complete lack of benefits or incentives makes it very unlikely. Doing so could be illegal and collecting data which is otherwise useless is only a liability and a waste of resources. Basically the admin own self-interest I would say is what's stopping them. That said, if someone is individually afraid due to a bad relationship with an admin, then personal motives could void the above, in which case, they should change instance probably or use a VPN at least.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

Always use a VPN. Its mandatory

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Yes, there are laws against doxxing in several countries.

There is no technical aspect stopping it. Every website has your IP, sometimes also the people you chat with or write emails to, as this might (or might not) be part of the meta-information.

An IP address is a boring piece of information. Usually you can just infer the country and which internet service provider someone uses. You'd need to sue the ISP or get a court order to get the name and address of who's using that IP number.

Running these services is a lot of work and requires some skill, at least to do it sustainably. Usually it's certain people who are dedicated enough and willing to put in the effort... They are motivated to build something or help people. That's what drives them. It's somewhat unlikely but not impossible that they participate in malicious behaviour. Sometimes internet drama happens. But users aren't stupid either.

(But people who want to destroy and troll, rarely have the character traits to succeed at something like this. You'd pass on easier methods to wreak more havoc, to instead spend time learning webhosting, Linux, build up a community and maintain the server... You wouldn't do all of that unless it were worth it. I can only imagine that happening in a targeted attack that pays a good amount of money. Or a really good amount of internet fame because you doxxed a high-profile celebrity or something like that.)

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (7 children)

So your whole argument is based of the kindness of admins ? I get that you are trying to see the good but still

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

What's your question? I mean different types of services exist. You're currently on a platform powered by volunteers. If you don't like it, there is alternatives like Reddit which is a commercial / for-profit company.

We have projects like Lemmy, Linux and the whole Free Software which somewhat relies on kindness and giving. It's the same for charity, your schools extracurricular club where parents and teachers volunteer their time and energy. Or bring cake to a special day.

And with the "trust": I think it's more nuanced. You also rely on other peoples kindness to stop at the red light at a traffic junction and not crash into you at full speed. Theoretically nothing is stopping them. It's the same concept, you're forced to cooperate sometimes and rely on other people to abide by the law and also cooperate. It regularly works fine. Just make a good choice whom you trust and why.

You don't need to worry about your IP. It's really not a big deal if people know it... I'd have a look at who's running a service once I upload private documents with my finances etc, photos of me... More than random ramblings. And experience shows also the services that don't rely on volunteering aren't a safe bet. Most of the big companies and platforms have been hacked. https://haveibeenpwned.com/ lists my email AND password has been lost at least 3 times by the big players.

And regarding you specifically... I already know enough about you by reading your public posts. You're probably from the USA. At least I didn't find comments in other languages, and statistics tell me people here are either american or german. You use Android, know what FOSS is, seem to like it and play things like Supertuxkart. You like to waste some of your time in meme communities and casual conversation and just created this account yesterday. And you talk a certain way which makes me think this isn't your first time on the internet. What else am I supposed to deduct by knowing your IP?

You're right asking the question "should I trust you with my data". That is why I don't use Facebook, Microsoft, bonus cards, TEMU...

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (4 children)

Woah you were close

like it and play things like Supertuxkart.

Wrong . I hate playing any and all games.

just created this account yesterday.

And you talk a certain way which makes me think this isn't your first time on the internet.

There was a post about me moving my account on casual conversation.

Other than these two mistake you mostly nailed it

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

Their comment started with mentioning laws. That's more than betting on only kindness.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

The kindness of admins is a requirement of pretty much all internet infrastructure. Email servers are the same, no? And it gets even harder with proprietary networks -- if the admins are being unkind, you can just switch discord servers or whatever. Anyway, I digress.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I run an instance. I promise, I have literally 0 care about who you are. I have much more productive things to do with my time.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago

There's not much to prevent it from happening. They could lose standing in the community. They could be given legal trouble, and they could be attacked in return by people who knew which server owner was responsible. But that's pretty much it.

There's also a much lower bar for entry when it comes to running a server. All you need to "be" is technically competent. You don't need to be very good at security, and you don't need the temperament of a reasonable person.

And when that's the case, data might be leaked even indirectly.

Two Mastodon examples come to mind.

  • One administrator shut down their servers after being accused of transphobia. They could have done anything after having a bit of a public meltdown, so that was the best case scenario.
  • Another server administrator was raided by police, and all the contents on the server were made accessible to them.
[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Don't let your guard down but at some point trust and risk consideration is required for most systems to work. If you're after solutions; you could run your own node in the cloud and federate it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

Was thinkin about it and read some docs which brought me to the conclusion that its too much work for me

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

Because its a waste of there time? What's stopping anyone from doxxing you?

[–] [email protected] 31 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

An IP address by itself isn't going to let you dox users unless you have access to the databases that map these to the subscriber accounts. Typically, you would need to be an ISP or law enforcement to do this, but you can also purchase this information from a data broker if you know what you're doing.

With that said, there is absolutely nothing stopping the instance operator from getting your IP address. You're connecting to his or her computer which they own, so they can easily see where you're connecting from.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

A notable way to protect against this is to use a VPN. Then the operator only knows you use a VPN.

Also need to be careful of what you write in comments (this is a public forum!). People sometimes write a surprising amount of detail about their life and it makes it much easier to narrow you down to a single individual the more you do it.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Eh, have faith in people

Even on Reddit, I was always 100% honest about living in Monetenagro as a Canadian Mexican immigrant. Sure life is busy as CEO of Disney but I always make time to attend a Lakers game with Leonardo DiCaprio when I'm visiting Panama.

But to comb thru a large account would take a bot to look for keywords and frequency mentioned.

So if you're concerned about it, a less honest person could just randomly make outrageous but specific claims. Even when in the same comments and obviously contradictory, it would throw it off as long as you're not constantly disclosing identifying information

That's how I was able to become Batman and buy a house in Tokyo anyways

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

The biggest thing is don’t accidentally give away your security questions to reset passwords to anything important.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Ewwww ! Imagine having faith in people... gross !!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Yea after all that has happened you want faith GET RELIGION

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I’m gonna put some dirt in your eye

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[–] [email protected] 78 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Ethically it'd be shitty and people don't want to be part of an instance with shitty admins so people would migrate away. Technically, nothing unless you're using a VPN. Welcome to the internet, the same is true for every website

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

Haven't some instances started blocking VPN traffic after the CSAM incident(s)?

[–] [email protected] 35 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Also there's the aspect of just... not caring. As someone who technically could read the email, browse the files, or track the apps installed and used on the phone of nearly any person where I work, any small bit of idle curiousity died before I was done my first day.

Even if I was nosy, 99% of people are just not that fucking interesting. What would even be the point of abusing my access?

I've seen someone put it like this: male gynecologists don't get excited looking at lady bits at work.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Though, there's always some malicious doctors

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