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[–] [email protected] 2 points 20 minutes ago

Here's the actual story, Schumer relented one day after GOP and DNC megadonors threaten to pull funding away from 10 Democrats.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 hours ago (3 children)

Anyone else get the feeling he’s been compromised?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 24 minutes ago

Well he's a zionist. And the zionists bought both parties but preferred trump in power. So yeah.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 hours ago

You mean like recently? No. It's been a lot more than a feeling since 2016, for me at least. A known fact I guess you could call it?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 hours ago

I felt that about the lot of them since the state of the union address.

they're giving off strong "fuck you, got mine" vibes.

I doubt any of them realize the following though.

What do you get if you take everything away from a person?

you get what you fucking deserve.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Only if you’re ready for a decades long campaign to flip towns, cities, districts, and state level legislatures like it took the republicans from 1972 to just a month ago.

That’s what we’re up against.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 hours ago

The US needs to break the two-party system so minor parties and independents actually have a chance at representation.

Of course there's no incentive for the establishment to do that. Is there any way for new candidates to run with the major parties, but on a platform to introduce preferential voting when they have the numbers? I don't know much about factions within US parties, but they certainly exist in my country, and can transform parties quickly if they think they have election-winning appeal.

It would have to happen bottom-up, as you say, so people can get comfortable with such a big change. Also, people are much more likely to elect independents at a local level.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 hours ago

It's long past time for Schumer and most of the timid OLD dems, to step aside. We've had enough of failing. We need to elect people that are capable of fighting back.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 12 hours ago

Dodgy governments as per usual.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 12 hours ago

Lol Trump called Schumer a "Palestinian" (now a threat) and this fucker just rolls over.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

We're not going to give Donald Trump what he wants, so we're going to pass this spending bill that gives him everything he wants! That'll how 'im!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 hours ago

Donald Trump wants the courts to stop overturning his random EOs. A shutdown would close the courts.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 12 hours ago

Schumer clearly never learned that appeasing Nazis is not the way to go! Or perhaps he's a nazi is disguise.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 13 hours ago

Warner and Kaine have both said they intend to vote no. Unfortunately there's no chance my congressional district is going to do anything other than give Trump carte blanche.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

I called my senators in new mexico to vote no. And with senator lujan the clerk said he will be voting no. So hopefully more will follow.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 hours ago

Thank you for calling

[–] [email protected] 3 points 15 hours ago

Heinrich is also voting no

[–] [email protected] 16 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Trump will destroy America and blame democrats if we don't fully back Trump destroying America, including removing congressional power to block the destruction of America while it is done.

On blame, easy path is push for clean CR that will keep government open, or reopen, when house votes on it when they feel like coming back to work. GOP will be blamed for the shutdown.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 13 hours ago

DOGE is already tearing wiring out of the walls. Crazy to get weeks of "Half Department X has been fired and the budget has been slashed" articles only to hear Schumer take the blame in advance for further defunding.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 22 hours ago (4 children)

I love how these conversations happen many times every session, but then campaign time comes and everyone calls me a Russian asset for reminding people of what the "Blue No Matter Who" mentality gets you.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

You're either with the oligarchs or you're with the terrorists

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 hours ago
[–] [email protected] 10 points 13 hours ago

This is the proper attitude for primaries, not general elections.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

The time to have that conversation is before and during the primaries. After that, it's not a worthwhile conversation.

The message isn't the issue, your timing is.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

LOL

What primaries? The Democrats invented superdelegates to subvert democracy in the primary process, and then argued in court in Florida that it was their right to do so when they were sued for it.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Good point. Better to do nothing then. Give up.

Or get more involved in the only party with a chance and change them from the inside?

No, that sounds like work. Forget it.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

It is a good point, and I'm not advocating for doing nothing, just acknowledging that change via the Democrats is impossible. Unless you've been asleep for 40 years, you're well aware that real, meaningful change is impossible in this party duopoly, and nothing underscores that more than running a publicly brain-dead man and the entire "progressive" party apparatus lining up behind him in order to suit his fragile, stupid ego.

What I advocate for is doing good with one's own two hands, because that's always possible. Be willing to pick up dog shit even if it's not yours. When someone in your building asks for a favor, be generous with your time. When ICE comes knocking, and they will, find that maybe you have difficulty remembering things. (And if you really want to underscore how shitty the Democrats are, remember that Tom Homan was also Obama's guy.)

[–] [email protected] 8 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

I agree. But my point is that the Democrats are the only tool we have at the moment within the government.

We have plenty of tools outside of the government, and you're 100% right that we should use those as well.

But let's not throw out the one tool we have inside the government. Let's improve it so it's useful.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

That's the thing, we don't.

The Democrats in Washington do not give a fuck about you, me, our families, or anyone else. They exist to do performative things and make nice speeches, then go vote in a manner that can be charitably called conservative but more often enables fascism. For example, remember when they did their nice little stunt kneeling in Congress with their African wear? Those same Democrats linked up behind Biden when he wanted to militarize the police even more.

The only power you or I have is local unless you're willing to commit an extraordinary act of vigilantism or you're a billionaire. That's it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

So join local Democrat groups

[–] [email protected] 5 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Democrats blame progressives for their losses.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 minutes ago

Progressives don't exactly show up to vote

[–] [email protected] 7 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Do we have Democrats as a tool inside the government? Are you sure they aren't another of the oligarchs' tools?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 16 hours ago

It's both. And they're the most likely group that we could turn to our purposes.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

Liberals are, for all their talk, in a Stockholm Syndrome kind of love with the DNC. BlueMAGA is some combination of a death cult and an abusive relationship.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

BlueMAGA sounds like weak bothsidesism, come up with some real criticism

[–] [email protected] 4 points 13 hours ago

I did.

Liberals are, for all their talk, in a Stockholm Syndrome kind of love with the DNC.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 21 hours ago

It is very culty.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 22 hours ago

Can we agree that we need less leadership? If these meeks want anyone dead we are all screwed because they have a trillion dollar army at their command

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