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Honestly this is insane to me given the Trump crowd skews much older.
Literally the generation growing up in the Cold War, having evil Soviets ingrained in them from childhood, and now Russia being happy with our policies doesn't raise a red flag for them? Our President being pals with the ex-KGB Putin doesn't mean anything to them? Hello??
Well of course it does. They finally have one of their own puppets back in the oval office
Putin wears his watch very loosely
Fuck this shit.
It is our fucken duty to sabotage anything that tries to free the noose around Moscow's neck. If they want to lift the sanctions we should lift their necks from their shoulders. Fucking kidding me? Remember McCarthyism? This is fucking batshit insane.
Remember "Red Dawn", back when we thought that Russia would try to take over the US with military might?
What a masterclass in asymmetric warfare that they've managed it with a few well placed memes
Well placed memes? There has been a massive, concerted effort to disrupt US politicsl perception since the 2000s, and only succeeded because tech billionaires were willing to play ball.
'MUЯIКAH!!
Ah yes, the White, Blue & Red.
That tends to happen when you have successfully installed your puppet as the president of the United States.
Who knew it would be easier to conquer America than it would be to conquer Ukraine...
People that can see and think for themselves.
Note: this excludes a massive portion of US citizens.
Christ, what a surprise. Almost fell off my unicorn when I read that.
Is it me or is murican's discourse lining up with "bringing democracy to Ukraine by force"?
With Zelenskyy saying the end of the war may be very far off, it looks like Ukraine is preparing to go ahead without US aid, rather than be pressured to give in to Russian ultimatums.
I don't know what the logistics are but how do we start a fundraiser for this man?
It would piss trump off...
It would show the rest of the world there are still sane people in America...
It probably wouldn't help much but if it's anywhere near successful it will probably make an impact... And force trump to actually help
Someone needs to do this...
The ultimatums putin, erm I mean trump suggests is essentially completely surrendering to Russia (maybe with a brief ceasefire, to let Russian soldiers to regroup)
We'll see if he can hold out if/when we lift our sanctions on Russia and start allowing the transfer of everything they need to rebuild their military hardware. Or even worse, selling them our own weapons.
EDIT: And now around three hours after I posted this, White House announces directive to drop sanctions. gg
I mean, whats the alternative? Unconditional surrender?
As I see it, here's the 3 options:
Bend the knee to trump, give up your resources, and keep your country with no security guarantee worth a damn, just to lose your country later. And not just the lack of credible security guarantees, but specifically agreeing to never join the one alliance that would give such a guarantee.
Bend the knee to Putin, and just let Russia annex Ukraine fully, therefore avoiding a war in the unspecified future.
Go at it with or without US support.
If you were the leader of your country, how much of your land and resources would you give away in the pursuit of temporary peace, knowing that it is only temporary?
I didn't say it was the wrong choice. Just that now it is more of an uphill battle than ever, perhaps with exception of the first month or so of the conflict.
Europe needs to step up and quickly.
Importantly Europe needs to step up before the US does.
I never had the U.S. switching sides on my bingo card. I thought at most they would stop providing aid and support. Trumps policies were very isolationist in his first term.
I never had the U.S. switching sides on my bingo card.
I don't know why anyone was caught flatfooted by this when it was clear to anyone paying attention that if Trump was elected, his plan to end the war was to hand control of Ukraine over to Russia.
This was as obvious and predictable as the January 6th insurrection.
Wait, really?
Dude holds a grudge like an absolute motherfucker, in addition to being a complete shitbag. He is vindictive as all fuck. The second the war started, my immediate reaction is “Putin is gonna drag this out till the election, and hope (read: influence the election so) that Trump wins”. Not to mention, officials in his first administration had to talk him down from leaving NATO multiple times, apparently. This whole thing was in the playbook from the get-go, imo.
He’s isolationist (or “evangelical”, or “a hawk”, or what have you) so long as it serves his interests - and I mean specifically HIS interests. He is a malignant narcissist. He does not actually care about anyone outside of himself
Do you remember why trump was impeached the first time?
lol yeah. Like I said: dude holds a grudge like a motherfucker.
We don't need to switch sides overtly for our hyena financiers and industry captains to make a buck trading with Russia, giving their war economy a sigh of relief which they desperately need.
Precisely. The only enemy that the US conservative party sees is China. Everyone else is a business partner that they must strong arm into favourable deals for the US.
I'm sure that there will be some capital holders who are willing to invest in Russia, however I don't really think a lot of the big players will be rushing back to Russia.
A large reason Russia has had such an about face since the early 00's is because a huge amount of western capital pulled out of Moscow after they invaded Georgia in 08. Since then Putin has had to double down in his overtly aggressive pillaging from Russia's neighbors to maintain his hierarchy of control over the oligarchs in Russia.
The invasion of Ukraine is largely a part of a sunk cost fallacy of his blunder in 08. I don't think he realized how skittish his power plays made foreign investors, nor did he predict the following sanctions that followed in his attempts to recover his power over the oligarchs.
I don't know about "investing" and putting risk in the Russian state. But raw materials for cash? Dual-use components for cash? Cash for cheap oil? If Russia's willing to rip the copper pipes out of the walls to pay for the things it needs, I'm sure someone here will be willing to take it.
I'm sure there will be some takers, but to be honest their real bread and butter is mostly petroleum products which directly compete with American petroleum companies. Sanctions against a competitor are vastly more valuable than the oil itself to American petroleum corporations.
As far as other minerals go, they are valuable..... But most of them are going right to the production market in China.
It really doesn't behoove corporate America to partner with Russian interests, which is kinda surprising why we haven't really seen a lot of backlash yet. I'm guessing they're keeping their heads down for now and seeing if the tax cuts are worth all the hassle.
It's idiotic Canada has a bigger economy than Russia, EU has many many times bigger economy than Russia.
This is done for personal favors and it isn't just hurting Ukraine it is fucking up US as well.