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If the concept of "Pan-Leftism" isn't in some way COINTELPRO, I would be very strongly surprised.

Everywhere it's enforced becomes nothing more than a liberal echo chamber, wherein discussions that inconvenience liberal ideology or biases get shut down. Thus continually drifting the talking point of the group towards the comfort zone of left-liberals.

Who are these left-liberals who benefit so strongly from Pan-Leftism? To put it bluntly, Anarchists, Social-Democrats, Trotskyists, and all other counter-revolutionary lifestylists. These are the groups that dominate discussions in these spheres, these are the people who get the final say on important issues. When Marxists get established in these communities, they get pushed out by the left-liberals. Often on illegitimate grounds, with strawman arguments and vast misunderstandings on Marxist stances.

Supposed "comrades" are, currently, fully backing the western propaganda out of Poland about Russia """targetting""" Poland with a missile. These same supposed "comrades" refuse to acknowledge that backing Ukraine demands the defence of Nazism. They further believe defending Russia, China, the DPRK, or any other enemy of western imperialism means you're "anti-freedom", or otherwise against democracy.

When people of differing viewpoints assemble together, the ones with the most to lose from revolutionary speech are the ones who have the loudest voices. This is inherent, aside from having a revolutionary vanguard to purge counter-revolutionaries there is no way around it. When anti-capitalists gather, the ones who benefit the most from the discussion are those who are the most disenfranchised by the capitalist system. Such as minorities, the LGBTQIA+ community, and so-on. "Pan-Leftism" inherently silences these voices, simply because allowing them to speak threatens the privileged straight whites who do not truly want a fair world, but would rather have a world that treats specifically them better. It should be no surprise that when Cuba abolished the nuclear family, these communities hardly even talked about it. And those who did controlled the narrative to either delegitimize the great victory for minority rights, or to delegitimize Cuba as being a communist state. (I.E. saying Cuba is liberalizing). Nor should it be a surprise that these communities often celebrate Rojava, but rarely mentioned the Donbas until the beginning of the war in Ukraine. Further, it shouldn't be a surprise that talk of the Donbas is mostly oriented towards calling it a "Russian satellite", rather than a revolutionary struggle against the genocide of their people.

Pan-Leftism, if it can even be called that if they exclude Marxists so easily, is a scourge on the western left that must be opposed where found. There are many roadblocks in the west in the struggle towards revolution, this is one of them. As long as new leftists flock to pan-leftist communities while they're learning the ropes of revolution, they will be tainted by counter-revolutionary talking points with no means of understanding why these talking points should be avoided.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

pan leftism pisses me off. defanged theory, feel-good nonsense that doesn't equal a legible ideology. Also preys on the dumbed down simplistic single axis of political thought. I don't know how they expect communists and anarchists to work together, or communists and soc-dems, or communists and anyone other than marxists. Then again, I'm guessing that's the point - to legitimize every single flare of leftist thought other than the one with actual material history behind it

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

Damn, you know this is a real old thread yeah?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

very good points, yet this seems more like pan-online-ism than pan leftism.

at least for my local area, we are the most active and apparent Marxist party. anarchists get along with us, join our reading groups (sometimes) and actions (frequently) because we actually do things. we rarely discuss anything that isn't about our work, and people choose not to be involved with us rather than demand we change our tactics and education. liberals are afraid of us, they don't interact much, and it's usually them just gathering intel on us when they do. some of them complain that we don't support liberal actions enough, well sorry maybe if you listened to workers instead of this bullshit "they'll come around to us" mentality you'd actually be helping. we had a local radio segment recently, but the more radical component of housing rights was edited out.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago

Well said. Marxists shouldn't give a damn about pushing for the leftist ideology along an ideological spectrum. Instead, they should care about what is left wing of the real dialectic of political difference, which from what I can see, relates to global imperialism. And leftist ideologues, regardless of what ideology they espouse, serve imperialism in effect.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago

"Pan-Leftism" is just yet another word for Left Anti-Communism. At best they are today's Bernsteinists and Kautskyites, though even that analogy is giving most of them too much credit, in reality most of the ones who are not straight up Cointelpro are just run of the mill imperialist liberals who like to cosplay in a revolutionary aesthetic.