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This is the second megathread for discussion regarding the crisis.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I am going to use this thread to make a continuation of what I've posted in the first megathread where I shared a plethora of related links that share insight on the nature of this conflict.


Reports

#Nakba

Burying the Nakba: How Israel Systematically Hides Evidence of 1948 Expulsion of Arabs

Classified Docs Reveal Massacres of Palestinians in '48 – and What Israeli Leaders Knew

Editorial | There Are Thousands of Classified Pages Israel Has Yet to Reveal, for the Sake of Healing

'I Saw Fit to Remove Her From the World'

Zionist Militia’s Efforts to Recruit Nazis in Fight Against the British Are Revealed

#Recent Events

Using an Attack Dog, Israeli Women Soldiers Forced Palestinian Women to Undress

Cigarette Burns, Beatings, Attempted Sexual Assault: Settlers and Soldiers Abused Palestinians

Israeli Settler Documented Shooting Palestinian at Point-blank in the West Bank

Israeli tank fires on car near Gaza City

Hundreds Involved in Attacking Arabs and Leftists, but Israel Police Arrest Only Four

Far-right Israeli Knesset Member Zvi Sukkot to Head Subcommittee on the West Bank


Perspectives

#Videos

Dr. Gabor Maté (Holocaust Survivor)

^ Here's an interview regarding recent events.

Katie harper interviews political scientist and activist, Norman Finklestein

^At 1:43:50, Finklestein asserts that Israel would bomb a residential area, wait for people to come out and call an ambulance, and then bomb the ambulance.

Katie Harper interviews journalists and political activists regarding recent events.

^At 00:24:15, Ali asserts that Israel is willing to shoot their own civilians as evidenced by the Hannibal Directive, verifiable events, and testimonies such as Yasmin Porat's where the IDF was shooting indiscriminately and even fired tank shells into Israeli homes.

#Articles

How colonizers weaponize rape: reflections from the Palestinian case

Opinion | Dying in Southern Gaza: 'I Want to Go Home. At Least I’ll Die After Drinking Fresh Water'

Opinion | Amid the Mourning, Israel's Settlement Enterprise Celebrates a Great Victory


Testimonials

Israeli Soldier's Explosive Tell-All: "Palestinians are right to resist" - Former IDF soldier talks about how he realized that his actions were perpetuating apartheid, and that Palestinians were right to resist through any means.

Tantoura Ethnic Cleansing Testimony - Yosef Diamant ^[There is a whole-ass documentary for those interested.

Breaking the Silence - Israeli NGO where IDF veterans testify their experiences. Some examples:


If you find any other notable background information, feel free to share.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago

Thank you for this. Very helpful.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

What's the educated opinion of how could this been handled by Israel? Honest question. (Ignoring the fact that Israel failed with intel)

To me it seems like Gaza had no intention to get rid of Hamas though at the same time bombing is unnecessary as the culprits can't really leave other than the secret tunnels to Egypt which can't really be bombed.

So the only real alternative is a full Blockade and ultimatum or something? Clearly Gaza doesn't stand a chance against IDF too so Israel had all of the cards to conjure any response they wanted.

I've tried to Google similar modern scenarios and couldn't find anything.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

To me it seems like Gaza had no intention to get rid of Hamas though at the same time bombing is unnecessary.

There hasn't been elections for 16 or 17 iirc so how can Palestinians "get rid of" Hamas?

Hamas was supported & funded by Netanyahus likud party specifically because it drove a wedge between those in Gaza and in the West Bank. Classic divide and conquer technique.

As for what Israel can do? They can get rid of the genocidal crook that's running their government and his two murderous far right henchmen and grasp that he had concocted this situation for several reasons:

To divert attention away from his corruption and fraud indictments

To quell the protests that have been going on for months against him because of the corruption and legislation he has passed to curtail the supreme courts ability to hold the executive to account.

To level Gaza, ethnically cleanse it & genocide the Palestinian people so he can get to the natural gas and oil reserves there.

Yes, there's a lot Israel can do and it needs to be quick about it.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It sounds like you just put everything you don't like about Israel in that answer, but without actually giving an answer how this actually could be handled. "Just don't to bad stuff, do good stuff" How would that have been an appropriate response to the terrorist attack?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You're talking as though the attacks happened in a vacuum, without intelligence from several sources pre-warning of it and without a certain level of collusion from the Israeli executive to allow it to happen and bring capitalised by then for it's maximum effect.

When you can genuinely approach the subject not from such a disingenuous perspective then my response may well be perceived by you as a bit more than "If you don't want to be taken for a cunt then don't act like one "

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We can't change the past. What should Israel do now?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So you didn't bother to read my comment then?

If you're too lazy to do that, why the fuck should I put any effort beyond this in replying?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago

I did. Replacing the government with one less bad would be good, but what should such a theoretical good government do in response to the Hamas attack? For example, I think more fewer air strikes and more ground combat would be better for minimizing civilian casualties, though more Israeli soldiers would die as a result.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

For me it sounds like you are you saying, they deserve the terrorist attack and are not allowed to react to it.