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I know the CEO dug himself a pretty deep hole recently.

I had been meaning to switch all the services I currently use over to proton - but his remarks gave me pause.

Is it still worth considering?

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

Apart from the CEO, I've been a bit concerned with the number of outages recently with quite poor and inconsistent communication or updates - not especially long outages but made much more stressful. There's something really off about the way they communicate things I've found. So that combined with the idiot CEO has made me start the process of moving away from Proton, I don't trust them any more.

I think the best strategy is to spread thinly, don't become reliant on any one provider.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

I'm quite happy with the products. Not as happy with the company after the event you mentioned. I upgraded my plan not long before that happened (they had a pretty good deal going) so I will stay with them for now but I will need to consider what to do once the prepaid time is up.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

I think that there are several things to consider here:

  1. Is is usable software? Yes
  2. Is the company trustworthy? In my opinion not, a MAGA CEO is a security risk when you take a look at what is happening in the USA right now.
  3. Does it feel good to support a MAGA CEO? No
[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

If you are going to spend time and money migrating to another service, choosing one that seems to be headed in the wrong direction seems ill-adviced.

European-alternatives.eu seems like a good resource to find alternative services.

Personally I am waiting to see if Murena.com restores their newxtcloud offering, as I am planning to move to /e/OS on my phone again and wouldn't mind sending a little money their way. I'm not into hypersecurity though, if you have very particular needs others will have better insights. For me having it hosted in the EU is good enough.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (19 children)

I'm tired but:

  • you'd need to compare the checksums of their web-based cryptography at every login,
  • you could use their bridge but you'd need to give your OpenPGP passphrase to change your settings, for no reason
  • they have the CIA at their administration council,
  • they have an history of unethical behavior toward Twitter survivors,
  • they have an history of spreading conspiracy theories,
  • they have an history of contacting hosting providers asking them to remove blog posts,
  • they didn't share the Lavabit fundraiser so they could get quietly issued a US National Security Letter (overriding the First Amendment and preventing Ladar from appealing),
  • they can access to your entire mailbox anyway, not just to the email contents,
  • this has enabled the arrest of Social and Climatic Justice activists, they replied they couldn't resist a Swiss Court order (so that's not their fault I guess, the tech is just bad)…

Why would you trust them for your opsec, and why would you enable them further?

Alternatives include Disroot, Nubo, and Zaclys.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Eh, ACAB: All CEOs Are Bastards. Tim Apple attended Trump’s inauguration.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (8 children)

At this point I'd take another look for alternatives to avoid throwing money at this particular CEO clown.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I think Proton still offer a strong UX and great privacy, what are your main worries ?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)
  1. Proton recently admitted they were impacted by Cloudflare outages cause they route a lot of their traffic through US servers using Cloudflare.
  2. Almost no one (like prob 0.1% of users) would ever have the time & knowledge to check for changes in JavaScript that might be different for them vs others, plus some of those would be routine updates, A/B testing, etc. If Proton wants to get your data all they have to do is change the JS sent to you or small portion of users, and it is very likely no one will ever notice.
  3. Many Proton services will get updates that are not pushed to the open source branch for several weeks.
  4. Proton disallows free accounts from using things like their Desktop Mail app without a paid account.
  5. Many Proton services are unnecessarily geared towards ecosystem lock-in, when the security can be achieved in other ways.

Those are to name a few.

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